Anyway if you don't already know, they're a bunch of prime wet skirts who distort reality to the extent that sometimes you think they're a form of satire against the far right. Recently they have moved more and more nasty and blatantly racist. In the past their modus operandi was to pretend they were just concerned citizens while "pointing out" the flaws in blacks. But recently out of frustration and being shrugged off and mostly laughed at for the lunatic fringe group of emotional compromised, propaganda soaked, weak minded middle aged individuals that they are, they've just blown their wad. Wanked their gall bladders off into on big bukkake of bitterness all over their blog.
This post was written by Islandshark. A individual who shows the extremely predominant late stage symptoms of being a total knob of biblical proportions.
Anyway when they want some attention and someone to pantomime they often look to me. Take a look at how they describe my world view. My counter point in black. Their moronic orgy like display of utter stupidity in red. Red for "warning : dumb asses ahead".
Some psychopaths would like you to believe that farm murders are a hoax. (Hint this is meant to be me. Apparently in the mind's of these utter lunatics I think farm murders are a hoax. I don't know which of the thousands of times I have stated that there are definitely farm murders and they are horrific they didn't understand.) Whites aren’t being deliberately targeted on farms, smallholdings and in rural areas by gangs of savages. The weekly reports of attacks, torture and in most cases resulting in murder, is all a fabrication. (Well the murders certainly aren't a fabrication but the "facts" you posted mostly are. There are not weekly reports of farm murders (not often anyway). They are just not this common. Everytime one happens you post this same rant and at best it's been monthly lately. And most farm attacks don't result in murder. According to a study less than 2% do. Do most farm murders end in murder ? I'll leave that to these geniuses to figure out why that figure is not exceptionally shocking.)
The fact that nobody is able, least of all the South African Police Farce, to keep an accurate statistic of exactly how many thousands of people have been slaughtered in the most horrendous manner on farms and smallholdings seems to equate to a hoax in the “minds” of certain people. ( Ignoring I can't think of a single person who claims farm murders is a hoax let's move on. You lot constantly make claims about the numbers ! Then now you claim nobody has ? So which is ? Certainly your hero "Adriana censor bugbear" only came up with 1200 names and very few of those were even farmers and many not even dead or white. So if nobody has a list of these numbers where are thumb sucking this over 3000 figure from ? As I stated there hardly seems to be one a month. Any murder is obviously horrific. But genocide my arse. )Keep in mind that this is the same Farce which can’t account for 20,000 firearms. The same Farce with criminals in charge (or have you already forgotten about Selebi?) Or the recent events around tenders and Police Farce connections. (And the same "Farce" who caught the perpetrators of this murder two days later. Same goes for pretty much all the recent farm murders than came to mind. That was a pretty flimsy house of cards, I hardly had to huff and bluff. )
In the same country where the government openly lies about the pass rate of matriculants (final year of secondary school) to support their failing Outcome Based Education joke, corrupt government, provincial and municipal officials literally steal (embezzle is where you actually attempt to hide the fact you are stealing) money faster than they can conjure up new taxes for white citizens to support the cesspool of criminals and the esteemed president can’t keep his ANCYL poodle on a leash, we are to believe that farm murders are a hoax – because nobody has the actual count. (So because our government is corrupt there has to be some genocide going on ? That's a massive logical failure but it doesn't surprise me you have done it. Here's news : If government corruption was an indication of genocide mankind would have wiped itself out 50 times over by now. Live a little guys. See a bit of the world. Then come back and tell me about all the wonderful humanitarian and philanthropic governments the rest of the world has. Christ man, mostly of you are well past 40....grow up !!! Government are corrupt absolutely everywhere. Here they drive some nice cars and take some tender bribes. Boo hoo !! Really ? You're right wingers but you sound like hippies who expect the world to be full of bunnies, pretty flowers and rainbows while you play with your healing crystals !
Well, if they embezzled less, I mean steal less, maybe the departments responsible for civil protection would be able to keep statistics on violent crimes, or at least murders (they absolutely can. With help from death certificates , morgues, hospital records, Home affairs, insurance actuaries staticians etc. By world standards our statistical record keeping is excellent and on par with the first world). Oh wait, they said they do. Remember how they told everybody a year or so ago that the United Kingdom has more violent crime than South Africa? (Absolute rubbish. Another pure pull it out of your bum moment from Iluvsa. Typical. Source please. South Africa claims to have 16 800 murders a year.)Just a pity they didn’t tell you that in the UK you’ll get arrested for verbally abusing somebody in the street and that it would count towards violent crime.
So, you can’t count murders in South Africa. (Crap. They absolutely can and do. ) The Police Farce employs known criminals. (Source please. Repeating something 50 times does not make it true.)But the SA government can tell you with certainty that there is less violent crime in South Africa than in the UK. (What are you guys smoking ? honestly ?) I DON'T want any of that.) You don’t need to have passed a course in research methodology as a precursor to post graduate studies to figure out the logic doesn’t add up, never mind the scientific content. (You don't need even logic 101 to see the broadsided absolute logic cock ups you have made. And a child can see how little of what you say isn't a pure thumb suck.)
The fact is I can’t remember a week go by the past few years where I haven’t read or heard about a murder on farmers, smallholding inhabitants or people living in remote rural areas. Below is yet another example. (Ok. Then name one that happened last week. I dare you ! Liar !!!! )
By all means decide for yourself which is more credible. The accounts you read on blogs like these from time to time of the horrific acts committed against these people, or psychopaths telling you it’s all a hoax
I think it's perfectly clear who is more credible. And before I go a quick shout out to Exanian. Sup ....Cuntplasm !
So today's point of discussion. Should I get Iluvsa blog taken down just for the kicks ?
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Rooster, I thought this passage was fitting but maybe it's just me.
The Dragon In My Garage
by Carl Sagan
"A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"
Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity!
"Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle -- but no dragon.
"Where's the dragon?" you ask.
"Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon."
You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints.
"Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floats in the air."
Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire.
"Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless."
You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible.
"Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick." And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work.
Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so. The only thing you've really learned from my insistence that there's a dragon in my garage is that something funny is going on inside my head. You'd wonder, if no physical tests apply, what convinced me. The possibility that it was a dream or a hallucination would certainly enter your mind. But then, why am I taking it so seriously? Maybe I need help. At the least, maybe I've seriously underestimated human fallibility. Imagine that, despite none of the tests being successful, you wish to be scrupulously open-minded. So you don't outright reject the notion that there's a fire-breathing dragon in my garage. You merely put it on hold. Present evidence is strongly against it, but if a new body of data emerge you're prepared to examine it and see if it convinces you. Surely it's unfair of me to be offended at not being believed; or to criticize you for being stodgy and unimaginative -- merely because you rendered the Scottish verdict of "not proved."
Imagine that things had gone otherwise. The dragon is invisible, all right, but footprints are being made in the flour as you watch. Your infrared detector reads off-scale. The spray paint reveals a jagged crest bobbing in the air before you. No matter how skeptical you might have been about the existence of dragons -- to say nothing about invisible ones -- you must now acknowledge that there's something here, and that in a preliminary way it's consistent with an invisible, fire-breathing dragon.
Now another scenario: Suppose it's not just me. Suppose that several people of your acquaintance, including people who you're pretty sure don't know each other, all tell you that they have dragons in their garages -- but in every case the evidence is maddeningly elusive. All of us admit we're disturbed at being gripped by so odd a conviction so ill-supported by the physical evidence. None of us is a lunatic. We speculate about what it would mean if invisible dragons were really hiding out in garages all over the world, with us humans just catching on. I'd rather it not be true, I tell you. But maybe all those ancient European and Chinese myths about dragons weren't myths at all.
Gratifyingly, some dragon-size footprints in the flour are now reported. But they're never made when a skeptic is looking. An alternative explanation presents itself. On close examination it seems clear that the footprints could have been faked. Another dragon enthusiast shows up with a burnt finger and attributes it to a rare physical manifestation of the dragon's fiery breath. But again, other possibilities exist. We understand that there are other ways to burn fingers besides the breath of invisible dragons. Such "evidence" -- no matter how important the dragon advocates consider it -- is far from compelling. Once again, the only sensible approach is tentatively to reject the dragon hypothesis, to be open to future physical data, and to wonder what the cause might be that so many apparently sane and sober people share the same strange delusion.
It's a great passage sure, but I'm not entirely sure towards you intend it to be a simile or metaphor. Are you alluding towards the "boer genocide" lot and their mythology ? Because in their case the difference is the ones makes the statements at the top are well aware their is no "dragon in the garage". It's the dumb pattsies on the ground levels who buy into these myths after years of being primed through propoganda and scaremongring.
It happens on both sides of the politicval spectrum. Those who scream loudest about Malema followers are very often shouting into a reverse image of themselves....or otherwise as it's known in English.....a mirror.
I don't have any advice for people who intentionally spread lies; maybe just a polite request : Stop doing it please.
At the same time, I don't see any practical difference between the "patsies on the ground" and the Boer genocide advocates other than their motivation. One relies on stupidity, the other, well maybe a mixture or reasons but the pawn can take the queen in as many moves as the king.
What is the difference between a genocide with no physical evidence and no genocide at all? A farm murder is not evidence of genocide and neither are many farm murders because these incidents need to be balanced against farmers who are not being murdered, coupled with the motivation for each murder, an identification of the "group" responsible and the likelihood that this action will ever result in the demise of the Boer at its current rate. Even the most factitious claims of the far right don't come close to an acceptable definition of genocide.
Although I don't agree that the actions of these bastards constitutes genocide, I still support in the strongest terms possible, the rapid apprehension and incarceration of the perpetrators of these murders.
But being of the left does not mean that I have to swallow my balls. If a Malema ever came into power (I'm no Zuma fan but let it pass), I don't see the point in adopting a "wait and see" attitude as he has already spelt out his intentions ad nauseam. I would be in favour of changing the constitution so as to make elections anonymous. People would have to vote by manifesto alone without any indication of party name. Simple and maybe effective (although admittedly not ideal) but I won't have my love for democracy turned into a masochistic relationship.
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To the gent who gave all the references. You clearly are well read on the topic. Perhaps you could inform us of some of the conclusions you have come to.
A rooster that looks like it was caught up in a tornado...
A shark being slapped almost out of the water...
Dangerous times for the animal kingdom!
It will take some time to put down my own conclusions but you can find a conclusion on the paper by Edward Lahiff : Land Redistribution
in South Africa: Progress to Date
http://www.sarpn.org.za/documents/d0002695/Land_Redistribution_South_Africa.pdf
Edward Lahiff is a senior lecturer at the Programme for Land and Agrarian Studies at the University of the Western Cape.
But I think it's more helpful to draw you own conclusions using his reference material. There are many more useful papers posted on the site http://www.sarpn.org.za/
The Southern African Regional Poverty Network was started in February 2001, when the Human Sciences Research Council, Pretoria was commissioned by the Department for International Development of the British Government to establish the Southern African Regional Poverty Network. The goal of the SARPN is to provide a facility for raising the level and quality of public debate on poverty across the Southern African Development Community. If you are looking for info from before 2008 it can be quite useful.
So, to avoid any conflict of interest accusations I recommend going directly to the source material for quotes.
What Edward Lahiff has to say in his paper and the conclusions he comes to is that land reform has been a flop because the intended beneficiaries don't have the deire, expertise or resources to take up farming.
"First, farm planning, in practice, tends to be about the farm, not about the beneficiaries that are due to take it over. Great attention
is paid to the physical features of the land, its recent history and its agricultural potential, as seen through the eyes of the commercially-oriented consultants appointed by the Department of Land Affairs on behalf of the intended beneficiaries. Little or no attention tends to be paid to the resources, skills and even expressed wishes of the beneficiaries themselves, even so far as any mention within ‘business plans’ of the size of the group in concerned. It is quite clear that the beneficiaries must adapt to the needs of the farm, and not the other way around."
Awesome artcile, but it would be better if in future you can share more about this topic. Keep posting good posts.
A rooster that looks like it was caught up in a tornado...
A shark being slapped almost out of the water...
Dangerous times for the animal kingdom!
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Lol.
But really can you imagine two more miserable,bitter , emotionally comprimised individuals regarding South Africa than Island shark and his bum buddy Exzanian ? What a bunch of fucking muppets.
Yes and no. When I read Islandshark's and Exzanian's posts, I generally see emotion-expression that has crossed the border into self-incitement. I experience this too sometimes...blowing off steam so hard that it starts fanning the flames that caused the steam in the first place.
This particular ILSA post is a reckless rant, in my opinion. About their other posts...I agree with some of their views, and I disagree with others.
At this time I prefer to keep my opinions of Islandshark and Exzanian to myself.
And seeing that you're off to China shortly and leaving SA behind, I come with this offer : I think I have a better understanding of these people's psychology than you do. If you're interested, I'll share this. I say I have a better understanding because I sometimes feel myself being pulled toward these kind of rants.
Well then, I have officially reached all the goals I intended to reach when initially deciding to comment on this blog.
So long
Hmmmmm...I've just remembered (most) people can't read my mind. My "Yes and no" needs clarification.
Islandshark and Exzanian...miserable? If you mean "unhappy" I really don't know. If you mean miserable in the scum-sense, I prefer to keep my premature opinions to myself.
Bitter? Sure they are bitter about SA! They seem to love SA but hate the government! Can I imagine people more bitter? Yes I can.
Emotionally compromised? I think they are emotionally compromised. Ive explained why. Can I imagine someone more emotionally compromised? Yes I can. I actually know someone personally who may just fit the description.
So my "yes and no"... As a matter of fact, YES I can imagine more miserable, bitter and emotionally compromised people than Islandshark and Exzanian. In the context of your everyday-regular-plain-generic white Afrikaans SA citizen : NO, your everyday-etc Afrikaner usually don't get so worked up.
Very thorough boertjie. There's hope for you yet. I rest easy in the knowledge that you are smart enough to see the stack of shit cards the extreme right wings fantasies are made up of. I think in a moment of honesty you would admit that once you believed a lot of the mythology such as the over 3000 boers murdered rubbish and now you don't.
Can you confirm this ?
Actually yes. Before coming across your writings I was firmly under the impression that the farmmurder tally was 3000+. Now I know the most reliable stats are generally AgriSA's stats. It seems to me the farmmurder number from '91 is somewhere between 1200 to 2000, but no-one seems to know the actual number.
BTW, ive heard about the 3000-number long before I even knew of cencorbugbear and miss stuijt. Do you perhaps know exactly where this number came from? Where it originated? If and how someone "calculated" it? I ask because I sometimes see this number in the mainstream media.
Even if it was 3000+, it doesn't amount to genocide in my mind. That being said, since reading your blog, my overall view of the topic didn't change drastically. I still disagree with both you and the radical-righteys.
I'd like to say this : the reasons why i decided to comment on this blog is a whole tangled up knot of goals thats mainly about learning. The only way I could "lose" is if I lost my temper. Oh, and am i correct in my assumption that i'm one of the most cool-headed commentators you've seen yet?
Your views are just one set of a lot of views I take into account about SA. It would have been very valueble to me personally if this blog could've turned into a platform where whiteys and darkies could discuss their concerns with each other.
And BTW, I got the impression from you that you are half-english and half-afrikaans?
You are very cool headed. I have no issues with you.
The source of the 3000 farm murders thing is Stiujt and her Israeliete/Volkstater/BB brothers and sisters. And orginised attack on the minds of white South Africans with the deliberate intention to misrepresent, scaremonger and distort the truth. Even the craziest of things repeated often enough and scary enough will eventually be believed by your run of the mill lemming.
How did I expose her lies ? I just had the brains to question and test. And what did I find ? Hardly any on the list of (less than 1200) names were murdered farmers. You say between 1200 and 2000 ? Are you insane ?
It's probably not even close to 500. That's out of 250 000 to 350 000 farmers by the way. Her statement that there are something like 40 000 is also entirely wrong. I'm sorry to say but you are not only gullible to accept such distortions of reality, but you're actually quite dim witted.
And yes I am certainly half Afrikaans. But by my latest post you might have noticed I am choosing to downplay that aspect out of shame from now on.
Afrikaners are a dumb fucking people and the world would be better off without them. That's a statement made in furious self loathing anger and I almost immediately retract it. But not before saying that honestly Uhuru might not be such a terrible thing. Such a pity it's also a total bullshit myth.
And god knows...how dare we ever wonder why people hate us so much.
And seeing that you're off to China shortly and leaving SA behind, I come with this offer : I think I have a better understanding of these people's psychology than you do. If you're interested, I'll share this. I say I have a better understanding because I sometimes feel myself being pulled toward these kind of rants.
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For the record you're quite new here. This blog has been around for close to 500 posts. Many of which have rreflected on the psychology of the expat wetmats like exzanyasfuck and livesonashittycoldisland shark.
It's perfectly obvious they are homesick and nostalgic for apartheid style fascism. They can get fucked for all I care. Horrible people.
But if you think I am oversimplifying please give what you think motivates and drives them so I can help you see the errors and flaws in your thinking which seeks to humanise such monsters.
The American Society of Criminology even said South Africans exaggerate crime
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Well that's obvious enough, but I wouldn't mind seeing the reference if you have one.
This was weeks ago I can't seem to find it now.
This obsession being crime capital is ridiculous. On one far right site a I waas reading a few days ago one commentator dared to say Jamaica was the crime capital and another sais Venezuela was. Venezuela I know jack but I canbelieve Jamaica with those Yardies is worse than saffieville.
The underreporting iluvsa goes on about is again ridiculous. lolzI'm sorry, a country that records 200,000 to 300,000 housebreakings a year doesn't have a big problem with underreoporting. If they don't understand that then theyare missing the elephant in the room.
It's sad Adriana spews her bullshit because she seem s like a real nice lady in the first few seconds of her videos. I'm sure she has plenty of good in her.
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Hi Rooster
Rooster Quote : "How did I expose her lies ? I just had the brains to question and test. And what did I find ? Hardly any on the list of (less than 1200) names were murdered farmers. You say between 1200 and 2000 ? Are you insane ?"
I think you misread what I said.
I quote myself : "It seems to me the farmmurder number from '91 is somewhere between 1200 to 2000"
I said " farmmurder number" and apparently you read "number of farmers murdered". Small difference in the words but a big difference in the meaning. I don't know how many farmers (the guys that run the farms) have been murdered.
In case you still think 1200-2000 farmmurders since '91 (NOT '94) is still an exaggerated number, I'll just quote myself (and correct one of my statements) from your post "So it's over. I win." :
"And in your post of 20 October 2010 on this blog you linked to a source stating these numbers:
a 1541 murders from '94 up to '08 according to AgriSA
b 1266 murders from '91 up to '09 according to TAU
c 1073 murders from '93 up to '09 according to ISS using TAU's stats
Other numbers I found :
d 1254 murders from '91 to '01 inclusive
(farm attack-inquiry report Chapter 2, July 2003)
e 1804 from approx '92 to may 2010
(AgriSA http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/South_Africa_10_05_02_South_African_government_officials_say_white_crime_victims_are_to_blame_for_racist_attacks_on_them.doc)
f 1613 (should be 1366) from murders from '91 to '02 inclusive
(Genocide Watch http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/South_Africa_22_Aug_03_Farmers_tortured_and_murdered_due_to_racial_hatred_-_farm_attack_official_investigation_report.pdf)
Note on number f : A mistake crept in here. The stats GW uses says 1254 murders form '91 to '01 - The Farm-attack-report number. The misunderstanding crept in that '91 to '01 meant UP TO AND NOT INCLUDING 2001. Then they added 2001 and 2002's numbers when in reality the 1254-number already included 2001's numbers. Sheesh, semantics...
Seems TAU's stats are indeed conservative (compare numbers b,c and d)
So I tried my own guesstimates for '91 to '10 inclusive assuming 50 murders a year for the years not included in above-mentioned stats:
1541 + ((3 + 3) * 50) = 1841
1266 + (2 * 50) = 1366
1073 + ((2 + 2) * 50) = 1273
1254 + (8 * 50) = 1654
1804 + (1.5 * 50) = 1879
1366 + (8 * 50) = 1766
A range from 1273 to 1879.
Now I think that 50 murders per year may very well be a very conservative number, since 60 farmmurders took place from the beginning of December 2010 to the middle of January 2011
(http://afrikaans.news24.com/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Bloedbad-op-SA-plase-20110222-2).
Thats 60 murders in 6 weeks. What was going on during that time?!? 3000+ murders suddenly seems plausible to me again."
Now the correction...the 60-murders-in-6-weeks seems to be a blunder on the media's part. Apparently it was 60 crime-incidents, not murders. There were 12 murders in that time.
(Farm crime - minister sets record straight)
And I still think 50 murders per annum may be a conservative number. Why? I remember a radio-news insert stating that in the year since ET's murder, there were 57 murders, according to TAU (No, no, no, I'm not talking about the extra seven murders). As pointed out in my quote, TAU's stats seems to be conservative. Hence my deduction that their TAU's 50/year is also conservative.
I maintain my statement that the farmmurder tally from 1991 to 2010 inclusive is somewhere between 1200-2000.
And talking about murders like this makes me feel dirty...
[part 2 of 2]
Two Rooster Quotes seperated by one of my posts :
"I rest easy in the knowledge that you are smart enough to see the stack of shit cards the extreme right wings
fantasies are made up of."
"I'm sorry to say but you are not only gullible to accept such distortions of reality, but you're actually quite dim
witted."
As I've said, i think you misread "farmmurder number" as "number of farmers murdered". Hence your sudden change in
opinion.
I know I'm repeatig myself, but I just HAD to point those two statements out for the sake of a giggle! Tee hee hee!
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Rooster Quote : "For the record you're quite new here. This blog has been around for close to 500 posts. Many of
which have rreflected on the psychology of the expat wetmats like exzanyasfuck and livesonashittycoldisland shark."
I will be looking at your older posts. And yes I know I'm very new here. Your blog has been around from 2008
(right?) starting off with two posts (in response to SAS?) which granted you instant imfamy and hate against you.
Please respond to this if I'm wrong somewhere, or if you'd like to add something for context.
And am I correct that your post "I'm about as smug as a bug in a rug." is a summary in your own words of your blog's
history?
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Rooster Quote : "But if you think I am oversimplifying please give what you think motivates and drives them so I can
help you see the errors and flaws in your thinking which seeks to humanise such monsters. "
Ok, I'll share my views. At best I'll be 100% correct and at worst I'll be only describing my own psychology
regarding what I have in common with some of these people and the deductions and extrapolations I make based on
that.
I'm currently preparing a post on this.
Wow, the "Rooster" is an absolutely disgusting human being. What the hell did your parents do to you?
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