Thursday, 27 November 2008

The hicjaking myth : debunked.

It's common for people to state some of the most ridiculous rubbish about South Africa and expect it to go unchallenged. Often these statements start out based at least in some form of truth, but eventually when washed through the same murky waters of white South African neurotic disinformation they come out swollen and bloated as huge flat out ridiculous gunk !

One such thing is the statement so matter of factly passed around South Africans expats (or traveling locals)when they can get a foreigner to listen is the following


"It's so nice to drive around and not feel like you're going to get murdered ! In South Africa every day we fear for our lives !"

You've all heard it and many of you have nodded in agreement. I've got news : You're mentally sick.

To me , or let's generalise and say : any rational and sane person , the above sounds like you have all the symptoms or a paranoid and deluded person. Where did you hang out in S.A ? The groen dakkies ? Who the hell shits himself every time he drives his car ? What would I shitting myself about anyway ?

Time for ....Stat slap down !

Of all the 18000 murders in South Africa according to the S.A.P.S around 500 are related to house breaking , hijacking and armed robbery combined ! I've written about this in detail before. Sure when they happen these murders are very high profile. They're smeared all over the papers and as a small group of people in South Africa the 6 laws of separation means eventually you'll know someone-or a friend of someone who was at least held up in a car. So this obviously feeds the myth of it being widespread. I'll almost forgive you for your false perception. But let's look at the risks using reality instead of bullshit for a change shall we ?

Let's assume the hijackings make up a third of that (although that seems generous on my part) ...that's would be 133.3 murders per 47 000 000 people a year.

Or expressed as a murder rate : 0.226 per 100 000 people.

Or another way : 1 in 500 000 people.

I don't know how good you are with numbers, but take it from me : If you think 500 000 to 1 is a plausible chance of something happening- stay away from the casinos.

Now let's add in the "every time". Let's say you ride you car once a day...to factor in the odds we need to multiple this 500 000 to 1 by 365 remembering that's the yearly risk. So what's the risk of you being murdered on your way to the supermarket today ?

17 500 000 to 1

Now if you're going to be that pessimistic I suggest you're a fine candidate for some lithium. You may as well treat yourself to the same ridiculous flights of fantasy on the other end of the spectrum and invest all your savings into lottery tickets. Because with every ticket you’re twice as likely to win as to be murdered in your car today.

Muppets.

Some advice : Packaging up all your fears in life and putting into neat little piles filled "south africa" or "black people" is silly and you'll find this out around 5 days into your new life abroad.

67 comments:

Anonymous said...

One in five South Africans is planning to emigrate - or seriously considering it.

A recent survey by global market research company Synovate revealed almost half that figure are young blacks. The urge to emigrate is prevalent in the 18 to 44 age group.

Rand Merchant Bank senior economist Ettienne le Roux said: “The obvious negative for any country experiencing high levels of emigration is the loss of skills and future income these skills would have generated.

If emigration is not matched by immigration of people with at least the same skills, the country will be worse off. In this regard, it is encouraging that the government is showing preliminary signs of making it easier for skilled foreigners to come and work in our country.”

The US, Australia and New Zealand emerged as the most popular destinations.

Tracey Lawrence, migration manager of Australian Migration Specialists, said: “There is absolutely no doubt South Africans are looking elsewhere. We’ve seen a slowdown in business in the past three months due to the economic turmoil.

But the first eight months of this year have been tremendous - we saw an unprecedented growth in business. A lot of this has to do with fear for their children. They are concerned about education, crime and whether they would be able to secure good jobs here. Political instability also comes up regularly.”

The Synovate survey conducted face-to-face interviews with 600 random respondents from all nine provinces to gauge the attitudes of South Africans on emigration and current living standards.

Research manager Antony Adelaar, said: “Our sample was controlled to be representative of the population across all provinces, gender, ethnic groups and age segments. The sample size allows for statistically valid and reliable interpretation of results.”

But 47 percent of those surveyed said they had no intention of leaving the country, with the balance not having thought about it, believing they did not meet emigration requirements.

“There is always the concern the skills won’t come back, but many seem to show interest in returning one day. Although about a quarter of the younger age segments show interest in leaving, the administrative requirements would probably deter many,” said Adelaar.

In the first quarter of 2008, the Australian Bureau released immigration statistics: In 2006, 248 699 African-born people lived in Australia (5,6 percent of the overseas-born population). The largest group - 104 133 or 41,9 percent - were from South Africa.

The rate of emigration has increased rapidly. Only 20 percent of South African residents had arrived in Australia before 1976, but about 60 percent had arrived in the past 12 years. A vast number (88 percent) of the people said they wanted to emigrate for business and job opportunities; 55 percent were prompted by violence, crime and corruption; 19 percent mentioned the “volatile” economy and cost of living; 13 percent “government problems”, and 14 percent family reasons.

Positives in the survey included the country’s good climate, vast natural beauty, and cultural diversity, which persuaded people to stay. Only 20 percent of respondents said they would not return should they emigrate.

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?

Anonymous said...

55 percent were prompted by violence, crime and corruption; 19 percent mentioned the "volatile" economy and cost of living; 13 percent "government problems", and 14 percent family reasons.


i still think the crime here in sa
is super high rooster i think the murder rate is very high and the crime even if south africa has low crime its very violent compared to other places around the world

Anonymous said...

Only 20 percent of respondents said they would not return should they emigrate.

thats a very small numbber who dont want ot return

i think south africa can change
i am wanting to retunr some day as
well life isnt always greener on the other side rooster


i miss the rugby the boerie rolls
the great south african woman
the life was amazing but i dont feel safe in sa like i do elsewhere

Anonymous said...

i would like to state for the record, that the people who respond to rooster's articles are idiots.

rooster uses strawman arguments, and will hurtle insults at you if you challenge him. he'll call you names like Julius Malema does. he'll finger you out as being white because he's obsessed with race.

it doesn't matter if his precious stats are correct - don't fall into his trap.

just agree with him.

The Rooster said...

ha ha ha...how convenienet of you not to post the last sentence of that article which states

"only 20% said they would not return to South Africa".

Which basically makes the article mean "60% of south africans are considering a nice workinh holiday".

hahahaha

Plonker !

Even if people did want to emmigrate on mass , it would because of the bulloshit perception of high crime people keep feeding them. I'm here to put that to rest.

The Rooster said...

still think the crime here in sa
is super high rooster i think the murder rate is very high and the crime even if south africa has low crime its very violent compared to other places around the world

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It's high for certain risks groups. Like poor black and colored men. For other groups its nominal. And it's getting lower every year.

comnpared to other countries , if you don't count 80% of africa and south east asia which don't resport stats we're the 9th most violent country in the world. But if you included those countires that don't report stats (or often even have police forces etc) I am sure we'd find ourselves around 30 and climbing.

The Rooster said...

i would like to state for the record, that the people who respond to rooster's articles are idiots.

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I would like to state for tyhen record that I agree.


They're normallyignorant , racist S.a.S readers after all.

The Rooster said...

i think south africa can change
i am wanting to retunr some day as
well life isnt always greener on the other side rooster


i miss the rugby the boerie rolls
the great south african woman
the life was amazing but i dont feel safe in sa like i do elsewhere


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That's right...no where like S.A. You're the type of expat I want coming back ! I'll keep a few hansa's and castles cold for you bro.

The Rooster said...

The women ! Right. Anyone who's had anything to do with english , Australian or north American woman must surely already have booked their ticket home. South African girls are never in my mind when I write crap about western women. They're still generally a good lot of girls.

Anonymous said...

Your claims of "freakishly" low crime are bordering the extreme, if not absurd. You continue to beat the same old drum about it all being a "perception" that is fed to us by "white media" and "fearmongering".

I love SA and won't leave anytime soon. But I see things from a balanced perspective. You dont.

1. Why is it a reality that buses have security grids to protect the drivers? This doesn't happen in Australia. If it's because of warped "perception", please provide hard evidence for that.

2. Why are banks so secure, with the tellers behind bullet-proof glass? This doesn't happen in Canada. Hell, they don't even have metal detectors in Toronto banks. Perception?

3. Why do so many well-to-do homes have electric fencing in SA? This is expensive and not seen in well-to-do areas in France. Perception?

4. How is 50 murders per day not "freakishly" high? How is 100 rapes per day not "freakishly" high? (Don't start with your anal most-of-them-aren't-rapes crap before actually proving it with hard evidence.) Perception?

5. Why do you continue to omit races that aren't white? The reason is because you use strawman arguments - including black and coloured people will make your stats look worse. eg, you'll harp on about a white suburb (and make comparisons to white countries like Australia), but you won't spend the same amount of time, if any, on a black suburb like Langa or a coloured suburb like Belhar.

6. You present warped arguments on AIDS. You tell everyone to watch a video by a guy who believes that magnets heal people. I watched it, and it contains horrible factual errors and cherrypicked data. There is no credible science or scientific consensus that disputes the connection between HIV and AIDS. Every single one of your arguments has been debunked ages ago.

7. You create far-fetched scenarios, and then proceed to argue them. A few months ago, you said that the perception of SA is that bodies pile up on the sides of highways and that bullets fly everywhere. I've never seen or heard of anyone that thinks like that. You should maybe change your social circles then.

8. Why does SA have more police, per capita, than most countries? Perception?

9 Why is SA's private security sector booming and growing exponentially each year? Perception?

10 Engen Quikshops etc have their tellers beind bars or glass. This is for their safety. You see this nowhere in Australia. Perception?

11 Shops in the CBDs around SA have burglar bar systems for when they close at night. You see this nowhere in Canada's cities' CBDs. Perception?

While I get what you're trying to do by lowering the sensational perceptions that many people have, you're guilty of the same thing in reverse.

You also tend to borderline on conspiracy type thinking.

Sometimes things are what they are, dude. SA is great. Crime is "freakishly" high overall. Merge the 2 and find a way to move forward.

Anonymous said...

Your stats are wrong. We have been burgled 7 times in 6 years, once at gunpoint. My neighbour twice in the same period. Across the road three times, once the chaps labourers returned fire and killed two of the perps. So either we are located at a really shitty crime focal point or you are wrong. Crime IS out of hand in this country because there is no effective deterrent to comitting the crime. A hanged criminal does not rob or rape a second time.

The Rooster said...

Fail. There are stats per race well into the 2000's. I have linked to it on previous posts. If you don't believe me then search it out yourself. I write and research this stuff and it's infair of people to expect me to keep linking them to it. Do SOME of the work yourselves please.

The Rooster said...

1. Why is it a reality that buses have security grids to protect the drivers? This doesn't happen in Australia. If it's because of warped "perception", please provide hard evidence for that.

2. Why are banks so secure, with the tellers behind bullet-proof glass? This doesn't happen in Canada. Hell, they don't even have metal detectors in Toronto banks. Perception?

3. Why do so many well-to-do homes have electric fencing in SA? This is expensive and not seen in well-to-do areas in France. Perception?

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Absolutely 99% perception. Take away the walls and burglar bars and all that crap and we'd see no more crime. If someone was socialised to be violent no walls or such will stop him. Most South Africans have no interest in being violent. It's 99% neurotic perception.


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4. How is 50 murders per day not "freakishly" high? How is 100 rapes per day not "freakishly" high? (Don't start with your anal most-of-them-aren't-rapes crap before actually proving it with hard evidence.) Perception?

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Most opf them aren't rapes as you'd think abouty rape. Most "rapes statistics" are ridiculous estimates done by feminists that include things like "consentual sex while drunk" and "having sex to please your man although you weren'ty 1005 in the mood" ....not fucking women being dragged into dark corners. I think you will find a extremely high proportion of "rape" are dise mpower black women using this card against men etc.

By the way canada and australia are in the top 5 rape countries. It's no mistake that these countries have extremely liberal feminists movements. Think more....spout rubbish less. Free advice.

The Rooster said...

5. Why do you continue to omit races that aren't white? The reason is because you use strawman arguments - including black and coloured people will make your stats look worse. eg, you'll harp on about a white suburb (and make comparisons to white countries like Australia), but you won't spend the same amount of time, if any, on a black suburb like Langa or a coloured suburb like Belhar.
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Because i'm talking to white people. It's the white people who spread the overtly negative "we are the victims of genocide" and "the country is falling apart" bullshit. I always said over and over again if you show me a black person who says "the country is falling apart" I'll tell him to shut up too. But you won't find that....black people always experienced the crime and violence...you fucks were just looking the other way at that time.

The Rooster said...

6. You present warped arguments on AIDS. You tell everyone to watch a video by a guy who believes that magnets heal people. I watched it, and it contains horrible factual errors and cherrypicked data. There is no credible science or scientific consensus that disputes the connection between HIV and AIDS. Every single one of your arguments has been debunked ages ago.

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and you want to lecture about strawman arguments ?What the hell does the content of the video have to do with magnets or the presenter ? It's all stuff by credible viurologists and scientists....and fuck you if you try and query my right to offer questions.

And 've never said there is NO connection between hiv and aids...you don't fucking listen well do you ? How many times must I say it ?

I have suggested that hiv/aids has existed in the Sspreading thgrough Sex in one generation is not possible....not to mention plausible...countless experiments have demonstrated that! The hollistic picture is far more complicated than hiv = aids....third force factors play a huge role and so do I suggest go genetics and lifetsyle. This is fucking obvious to any thinking person..how could you refute it for a broken model ?

The Rooster said...

7. You create far-fetched scenarios, and then proceed to argue them. A few months ago, you said that the perception of SA is that bodies pile up on the sides of highways and that bullets fly everywhere. I've never seen or heard of anyone that thinks like that. You should maybe change your social circles then.


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It's called reverse logic. You take a viewpoint to it's furtherst logical conclusion and demonstrate its inhereny absurdity. I'm fucking good at it too.

The Rooster said...

8. Why does SA have more police, per capita, than most countries? Perception?


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Do we ? Cool ! I will write about that. People say the goivernment are doing nothing yet we have more than anywhere else ! South africa is awesome 1

The Rooster said...

9 Why is SA's private security sector booming and growing exponentially each year? Perception?

10 Engen Quikshops etc have their tellers beind bars or glass. This is for their safety. You see this nowhere in Australia. Perception?

11 Shops in the CBDs around SA have burglar bar systems for when they close at night. You see this nowhere in Canada's cities' CBDs. Perception?
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it's perception. But let's be reasonable and say we've set a precident. If you oppen a store and don't bar it up and everyone else does...the few criminals that are out there are obviously going to target you. anyway..it's africa man. ..rich and poor scrumming up against each other....you want this tgo go away ? Uplift the cronically poor. People with something to lose don't engage in crime. Fucking moaning and calling people names won't solve a fucking thing.

The Rooster said...

While I get what you're trying to do by lowering the sensational perceptions that many people have, you're guilty of the same thing in reverse.

You also tend to borderline on conspiracy type thinking.

Sometimes things are what they are, dude. SA is great. Crime is "freakishly" high overall. Merge the 2 and find a way to move forward.
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there's hundreds of nice little sites that play that game out there. this is guerilla blogging and sometimes when you;re fighting manipulative idiotic fucks you got to play a little dirty too. Smart people know and accept at times i'm coloring my rhetoric with a little artistic licence, but the point is clear and remains valid.

Anonymous said...

Hey Rooster. Let us talk about your “perception theory”...
One thing I have learned is that when it comes to people having to pay money, they normally are very reluctant. What I mean is, look at insurance companies in SA. Cost of Insurance is extremely high in SA. Life insurance as well as short term asset insurance. It is all about risk, calculated by some very clever people called actuaries.
To be able to make these calculations, these companies must have access to some pretty amazing statistics on crime. Now if the police are only releasing certain statistics and only once in six months (old and out of date), it would not be sufficient for insurance companies to go by.
Let me tell you something. When it comes to paying out large sums of money, politically correct bullshit and feel-good Liberal politics goes out the fucking porthole. Money talks and bullshit walks. What counts are statistics and Insurance companies all over the world, pays these actuaries and mathematical statisticians top wages to come up with the most accurate and true figures. Let me further remind you that the insurance business in SA is regulated and both long and short term insurance have an Ombudsman as an insurance watchdog to prevent the insurance companies from ripping people off.
Now either these Actuaries and Insurance companies all have a wrong “Perception” of crime, due to inherent “Racism”, or you are talking out of your arse.
Why is insurance in SA less when you have a vehicle tracking device fitted or an immobiliser? Why do they ask you if you your car is standing within a walled perimeter or inside a lockable garage? Why is insurance on household goods cheaper if you have burglar bars, alarm systems, electric fences, cameras and 24Hr armed response security? Yes I am talking about your average White suburban home here, not some kind of jewellery store or expensive art gallery. Why does your geographical position play a role, insurance is more expensive if you live next to a black township.
People do not just secure their cars and homes because of bullshit perceptions, they do it because then they do not have to pay exorbitant amounts on security.
Why do South Africans have to take out additional SASRIA (South African Special Risks Insurance Association) to cover losses against eventualities such as political riots, strikes, ordinary riots and civil commotion, etc?
I suppose it is because South Africa is such a great country…
I suppose it is all a conspiracy hey Rooster…based on a wrong perception and inherent white racism?
BWHAAHAHAHA, (wiping coffee coming from nostrils).

Anonymous said...

"Absolutely 99% perception. Take away the walls and burglar bars and all that crap and we'd see no more crime."

While I'd like to believe that, the reality is that you have no hard evidence to support your sweeping claims which are nothing more than an opinion made by some anonymous blogger.

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"Most opf them aren't rapes as you'd think abouty rape. Most "rapes statistics" are ridiculous estimates done by feminists that include things like "consentual sex while drunk" and "having sex to please your man although you weren'ty 1005 in the mood" ....not fucking women being dragged into dark corners."

No one said anything about dark corners. It's only you creating strawman arguments and then debating with yourself. And again, you're vomiting opinion and not factual evidence. I want to see official reports that agree with your sweeping claims. Because you're suggesting that multitudes of girls wake up one morning and say "I'm going to put myself through trauma and humiliation by going to the police to accuse the guy who slept with me, of rape."

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"What the hell does the content of the video have to do with magnets or the presenter ?"

For the same reason as anything by Michael Moore is one-sided cherrypicked bullshit. If your magnet-humping friend can't fucking get his documentary's information presented in a credible and factual format, then it's all obviously a bullshit agenda.

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"It's all stuff by credible viurologists and scientists"

That's debatable. Have you even Googled their names? Try it...

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"Fail. There are stats per race well into the 2000's."

You're wrong. Official SAPS stats don't divide by race.

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"It's called reverse logic. You take a viewpoint to it's furtherst logical conclusion and demonstrate its inhereny absurdity."

It's called bullshit. There is no need to take anything to its furtherest conclusion, since those conclusions are inherently absurd and, well, too far away.

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"Do we ? Cool ! I will write about that. People say the goivernment are doing nothing yet we have more than anywhere else "

We have more police because we have a "freakishly" high level of crime to contend with. Add the booming private security sector, and any fool can see that high crime is the cause. Also, the government doesn't spend billions of tax payers money because of perceptions.

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"But let's be reasonable and say we've set a precident."

Who has set a precedent? The criminals? The victims of crime?

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"If you oppen a store and don't bar it up and everyone else does...the few criminals that are out there are obviously going to target you."

That is very strange unsubstantiated logic indeed. Pity it's junk, though.

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"anyway..it's africa man. ..rich and poor scrumming up against each other...."

Ja, that doesn't happen anywhere else in the world.

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"you want this tgo go away ? Uplift the cronically poor. People with something to lose don't engage in crime."

Not true at all. Some of the largest recorded crimes happen in the corporate world. Also, poverty and crime is a loose link, albeit a link. Poverty is not a cause for crime. There are numerous countries with more poverty than SA, with lower crime rates.



It's simple. Don't make sweeping claims and think that readers will buy into it. Back up your statements of fact with credible evidence, instead of resorting to childish insults and name-calling.

That's how you debate smartly.

The Rooster said...

Actually it's an interesting place to look...insurance rates and actuaries etc. You're right...there's no bullshit there. Certainly I'll look into it and write something about it and see if insurance rates can tell us anything.

?At first glance it seems to speak in favour of my arguments. You can still get life insurance very cheaply in South Africa. I know I'm insured for a few million randies and it's costs a couple of hundred bucks a month. Surely they'd go out of business if the risk of getting murdereed for youngish white guys like me were being knocked off ?

on another note, I know when old mutual started certain policies that allowed for people to be hiv positive to enter the plan they were extremely surprised at the low level of intersted parties. Meets my hiv/aids is exegratted arguments too.

Car theft rates are nominal in South Africa. I suppose that's just the insurance companiesn taking advantage of the neurotic mindset. "Make them get this thing that highly reduces our chances of having to pay out...make them pay for it....suckers !"

Think critically my friend.

The Rooster said...

anyway..it's africa man. ..rich and poor scrumming up against each other...."

Ja, that doesn't happen anywhere else in the world.

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Like brazil ? Yes it does and it encourages crime. Uplift the poor...same message.

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You're wrong. Official SAPS stats don't divide by race.


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...they did right up to around 2002...I've linked to it a few posts back. Colourd population has a murder rate far higher than anyone else...around 80/100 000 ....black population around 40-50/100 000 and white population around 15- 25.

Anonymous said...

"Like brazil ? Yes it does and it encourages crime. "

Please provide strong evidence that blatantly connects poverty to the encouragement of crime.

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"Think critically my friend."

Nothing wrong with that. Except that your conclusions don't prove anything.

Anonymous said...

"...they did right up to around 2002...I've linked to it a few posts back. Colourd population has a murder rate far higher than anyone else...around 80/100 000 ....black population around 40-50/100 000 and white population around 15- 25."

Nope. Wrong again. You're not doing your homework properly. Also, those stats are outdated and no longer apply. You're cherrypicking again.

The Rooster said...

I don't like to repeat myself three times. I'm linked to everything i've based my arguments on. Go look through my blogs and form your counter arguments. Email me to them and I'll even post them up.

Anonymous said...

Fail. There are stats per race well into the 2000's. I have linked to it on previous posts. If you don't believe me then search it out yourself. I write and research this stuff and it's infair of people to expect me to keep linking them to it. Do SOME of the work yourselves please.

I did not mention race, I belong to a group called homo sapiens, im not a nigger, a spick, jew, redneck, just human, working in Randburg, getting fucked over by crime. Do you live in a delusional castle where shit does not happen, or are you deliberately stupid?

Anonymous said...

judging by the amount of time you spend online, I can only assume that you bwana does not keep a tight leash around you neck.

Anonymous said...

I have. And they're based on cherrypicked strawman data.

Some of your arguments follow correctly, but a lot of them also don't. One obvious observation is that you have an agenda which is far from being balanced, on top of hurtling insults and childish name-calling.

Therefore it can not be taken seriously.

Much like your magnet-humping friend's documentary, numerous points and facts are indeed "correct", but are compiled in a very one-sided unobjective manner that smacks of typical conspiracy-styled bullshit that Penn & Teller would royally own.

Anonymous said...

" I write and research this stuff and it's infair of people to expect me to keep linking them to it. Do SOME of the work yourselves please."

It's not unfair at all. You're not doing anyone a favour by writing articles.

If anything, it's unfair of YOU to expect your readers (who are doing you a favour by visiting) to bounce around your blog, looking for references.

Your throne isn't all that golden, mate.

Anonymous said...

What a laugh Rooster...
You got PWNED by Anon - but I'm not even sure you realise it yet!
Anon is ripping you a second arsehole and the extremely borderline "credibility" of your arguments is pouring out of the second orifice like a "shitshute"
See what happens when you argue with someone who, on the face of it, seems way more intelligent that you? He sees through your silly sweeping statements straight off! (and points them out - despite your juvenile attempts to sidetrack around the subject)
You just make things worse by continuing to babble on with "check the stats yourself " & "do some work" (not to mention the frequent expletive which is known to be the domain of the uneducated)
Nice tho... I like to see bloggers OWNED by their audience every now and again...

The Rooster said...

Anon pointed out that there are only 5 500 000 cars in South Africa. So we should factor that in. Ok..let's use that as the population.....we hey...oh let's call it a 2.5 million to one chance ? Less than the chances of dying on an airoplane ? He also speculated that there are 4 people in a car at a given time. Pure bullshit. Drive around today and count how many cars have 4 people in them other than morning time when kids are going to school.

The Rooster said...

I write and research this stuff and it's infair of people to expect me to keep linking them to it. Do SOME of the work yourselves please."

It's not unfair at all. You're not doing anyone a favour by writing articles.

If anything, it's unfair of YOU to expect your readers (who are doing you a favour by visiting) to bounce around your blog, looking for references.

Your throne isn't all that golden, mate.

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I don't have the time, mood or care enough to search my blog for where I posted links. You're welcome to go and find them for yourselves. Whatever conclusions you're drawn from the data available is to your discretion. I'm quite happy for everyone to have their opwn opinion as long as you formed it by thinkiing critically and skeptically for yourselves, and didn't form it from the propoganda of right wing fascists who are working with an agenda. I just want to show people a different valid way of looking at the situation so that they can better judge what is their reality. They can accept parts and reject others. I think the perspective I respresent is necessary, refreshing and helpful. I think South African would all be better off thinking in a more calm and rational way about our country.....not to mention positive !

The Rooster said...

Anon is ripping you a second arsehole and the extremely borderline "credibility" of your arguments is pouring out of the second orifice like a "shitshute"
See what happens when you argue with someone who, on the face of it, seems way more intelligent that you? He sees through your silly sweeping statements straight off! (and points them out - despite your juvenile attempts to sidetrack around the subject)
You just make things worse by continuing to babble on with "check the stats yourself " & "do some work" (not to mention the frequent expletive which is known to be the domain of the uneducated)

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Anon is a James Randi wannabe. I bet he lurks around conspiracy forums and acusses them of logical fallaies while begging the question. You're not smart enough to understand that last statement or the inherent irony. Maybe you ought to save up those peanuts up there in the gallery instead of littering the stage, because you can't hit shit.

I'm sorry. I'm not going to start a precedent where I'm going to have to write references everytime I make a statement. It makes wreiting and debating become a chore and believe it or not I do this for fun. This is the internet, not a thesis or a document for scientific review. Any statement I make can be quickly researched for yourself if you have a big issue with it.


On another note folks...If my statements are bullshit please tell me why my website is still up here ? I have had a challenge up for two months for anyone to disprove the notion that south africa is safer , richer and far better off now than 1994 and thus far nobody has even come close. I also sauid i'd change the name of my site if you could prove it was more dangerous for tourists that australia , thailand or the caribeean. I'm going to link to the challenge on the left of my site so more people can try (and no doubt fail) to disprove it.

Anonymous said...

"I don't have the time, mood or care enough to search my blog for where I posted links. "

You don't give a shit about your readers, and your readers don't give a shit about searching your blog as if it's some library of wealth. it's a stalemate, then.

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"I'm quite happy for everyone to have their opwn opinion as long as you formed it by thinkiing critically and skeptically for yourselves,"

That's very kind of you. It means a lot to me.

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"and didn't form it from the propoganda of right wing fascists who are working with an agenda."

Strawman arguments again, more commonly known as bullshit.

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"I think the perspective I respresent is necessary, refreshing and helpful."

It would be more refershing if you thought what you had to offer is the opposite.

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"I think South African would all be better off thinking in a more calm and rational way about our country."

Agreed. Except that it already happens mostly.

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"He also speculated that there are 4 people in a car at a given time. Pure bullshit. Drive around today and count how many cars have 4 people in them other than morning time when kids are going to school."

Well, if you average out vehicles on the road, then he is probably correct. Include taxis and buses and family vehicles.

To understand completely, we would need to define "car". If a car is anything under a ton in weight, for example, then I'd agree with Rooster.

Anonymous said...

"Anon is a James Randi wannabe."

And you're a David Icke wannabe.

Any smart person would rather be a Randi wannabe than an Icke wannabe.

At least Randi talks sense.

Anonymous said...

"I'm sorry. I'm not going to start a precedent where I'm going to have to write references everytime I make a statement. "

Then don't make stupid strawman claims. It's not difficult. Just think before you type.

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"I have had a challenge up for two months for anyone to disprove the notion that south africa is safer , richer and far better off now than 1994 and thus far nobody has even come close."

The reason why nobody has intelligently tried is because it's a case of you begging the question. It's a stupid challenge that is set up in a way that meets your own biased criteria and can not actually be taken on fairly. The fact that you mention "australia , thailand or the caribeean" is enough evidence to prove that it's a one-sided challenge that strongly favours you and not your competitors.

Anyone who attempts the challenge starts off with a handicap.

Anonymous said...

"Anon is a James Randi wannabe. I bet he lurks around conspiracy forums and acusses them of logical fallaies while begging the question. You're not smart enough to understand that last statement or the inherent irony. Maybe you ought to save up those peanuts up there in the gallery instead of littering the stage, because you can't hit shit. "

Sweet. In true Rooster style, he resorts to name-calling and insults and calling people James Randi wannabes when he is royally owned.

You were debunked, Rooster. Everyone can see.

The Rooster said...

and didn't form it from the propoganda of right wing fascists who are working with an agenda."

Strawman arguments again, more commonly known as bullshit.


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It's not an argument. It's an opinion. I find for the great part there is a lot of bad science done in the name of trying to validate the idea of race and it's correlation to achievement. It's another whole issue and i'm still going to finish writing ( alot )about it.

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Agreed. Except that it already happens mostly.

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Where do you hang out ? I live in a more conservative part of the country which actually is not really affected by crime. All I'm hearing these days is histrionic claims and neurotic fearmongering. Ok I admit that your average white South African would laugh off things like state sponosred genocide and uhuru. they're not alkl that dumb. The psychology of it all though is fascinating.

I should write more about this. The fear to me is mostly projection. Kind of like a death wish whereby people have woken up to what they did in apartheid , denying it on some level , but experiencing it as a neurotic fear that black people are out to get them. On some level they think black people want to kill them because part of them believe black people SHOULD want to kill them. The truth of course is that amazingly black south africans for the great part want nothing more than harmony and colelctive respect ammongst the ethinic groups. It's a great dream of south africa to transcend the traps that befell africa before and has disfamed black people. You'll take notice that when the A.n.c came to power they were preaching equality for everyone...not revenge...The P.A.c who preached that rhetoric recieved hardly any popular support.

Now I think South Africans are starting to integrate naturally. I was lucky enough to go to a good school which even during apartheid had mixed students. Some of my class mates where the sons of the elite african families, such as sons of presidents , doctors etc. I also grew up on a farm and had as my playmates a whole diverse range of children. So for me at around the age of 12 when I started to hear about 'apartheid" I was pretty amazed and rejected it in concept immedietly. I actually had to be taught about the idea of races. I had never in my mind made the correlation between black people and anything. I was a classist. There were rich people and poor people....poor people did desperate things because they had to ....it was survival. Human beings all shared equal potential they just needed opportunity.

i also holidayed every year for months in the transkei and developed a deep love for the place. The xhose people even at that time could not have been warmer or kinder of gentler if they tried. And to this day i would prescribe any racist to holiday there and i guarantee you'll leave humbled and ashamed and a changed man. I just can't put into words how much I love this part of the country.

It still seems absurd to me. I don't need to bring science and arguments into it really....the kindness, warmness , good natured gentleness of south africas people is so evident.....that I can't for a minute imagine what it would take for someone to not think the same way.

oops...little off topic. nostalgia does that to me. Anyway...so let's just say I grew up in a way whereby I was lucky enough to quite naturally relate to my fellow south africans. But not evenryone had this luxury.

After a long stint out of the country when i returned I remember watching tv and noticing how naturalised it had become. How the mind set of the average south african coudl absord the fact that black people and white people could relate normally and not find the ideas absurd or unatural was to me such a healthy sign of this country going forward. How can one see this huge type of progress and feel negative ?

People...we all have a common enemy. And it's not the people with a different coloured skin. It's poverty !!! Try and udnerstand that people do not live in a vacume...they will grow up to be exactly the thing their environment makes them. If you could spend only a tiny bit of your resources and time to the issue I swear we could easily fix all the ills of this country. It requires only a few tiny things from you .....and the most important of all those things is "WILL"

you need to want it. If you're going to rejoice everytime you read about crime getting worse because you think it helps build your case about race, then you're not part of the solution. If you're going to talk down people like me who try and cheer lead change , then you're not part of the solution. I just wish you'd leave the country and stop interfering. And this comes to the main message i'd love to get ouyt there with this site.

"If you're not part of the future...be good enough to get out of the way"

That's all i ask. Believe in your country. Believe in the future...or fuck off.

The Rooster said...

I suppose i should calrify what i eman by "james Randi wannabe".

James Randi is/was a stern rationalist. He's a good guy and he exposed corrupt evangelists and Yuri Geller etc. I take no issue with him.

What i do take issue with is these people who run around the internet with a bag of tricks. Basically they use something called 19th century reductionism. The basic premise of this idea is that anything can be better know if we reduce it to simpler parts. That's good and fine and very true for the lumpy parts of the universe. However when we're talking about things like cosmology and the universe or god , it fails. It becomes apparent in these cases that 19th century reductionism is a special type of thing : a faith based dogma. What people are doing is perpetuating a faith based belief that anything that can be known can be observed and follows the 4 forces of the universe. Anyone who known anything about quantum physics, string theory, gravity etc is in on the joke.

So what's that got to do with anything ? Well these types of people generally are of medoicre intelligence. They're smart enough to have transcended the majority of people who don't even fucking understand causation, but not smart enough to take it to the next level. They know a little about the scientific method and logical fallacies etc and that's all good. But they don't know enough to have inisight into the flaws both logically and scientifically in their own arguments.

for example "james randi wannabes" will argue that there is no evidence for explosions used on 9/11 based on nothing more than faith. The problem is they will maintain they are on the side of science, while at the same time supporting a notion that itself is entirely unscientific(piston theory or pancake theory) for the simple reason that the ide ais popular. they don't see the wood for the trees. They claim to support science when in fact they piss on it.

the same goes for the hiv= aids debate. They will scream for proof and peer reviewed documents when you do anything as innocent as question the popular version, while support ideas that have not even been proved themselves. Worse that that while they are dangerously uninformed and their actions and dogma actively is causing poeople to die.

james randy wanabees get bin the way of progress. they are the yapping dogs at the heals of stale ideas that need to be re-examined. When I call someone a james randy wannabe I'm saying "You sir are a rigid person of medoicre intelligence who panders to the stupid through posturing. there is so substance or validty to your world view yet you dare question mine."

Smart people just had a intellectual oprgasm reading that. Dumb people just said "What the fuck ? "

the bs detector said...

The Rooster said...
"You can still get life insurance very cheaply in South Africa. I know I'm insured for a few million randies and it's costs a couple of hundred bucks a month."

No, you can't. You probably have accidental death cover which is very, very hard to claim because (a) it's most likely to happen as the result of crime and (b) poor or insufficient police work.

If you want to solve society's problems, it's better to do so from a position of truthfulness.

If you don't know much about life assurance or short term insurance, rather invite a qualified actuary to comment on this blog.

The Rooster said...

The reason why nobody has intelligently tried is because it's a case of you begging the question. It's a stupid challenge that is set up in a way that meets your own biased criteria and can not actually be taken on fairly. The fact that you mention "australia , thailand or the caribeean" is enough evidence to prove that it's a one-sided challenge that strongly favours you and not your competitors.

Anyone who attempts the challenge starts off with a handicap.


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Yes. I am begging the question. Very observant. I'm going to guess that you're either a young man and that in a few short years you're going to be a very smart exceptional person. Ot that you're in fact an older man and there lies no hope for greatness in you and you won't progress to know anything meanginful about the world.

The reason I'm begging the question is because it remains a fact that there is no evidence that supports the idea that south Africa is in decline. It's an idea that exists in the minds of people and notin reality. We must correct that, no ?

the point of the challenge is not to get an answer....i know no answer exists. Do you really think I'd offer to take down my site unless I knew there was no answer ?
The point of the challenge is to show you how sure i am that there is no evidence for the country being in decay and for you to reflect on what that means. It therefore hits its mark.

The Rooster said...

Ok. I just opened a beer. You guys might want to give up debating me around about now. I'm an extremely obnoxious drunk.

The Rooster said...

The Rooster said...
"You can still get life insurance very cheaply in South Africa. I know I'm insured for a few million randies and it's costs a couple of hundred bucks a month."

No, you can't. You probably have accidental death cover which is very, very hard to claim because (a) it's most likely to happen as the result of crime and (b) poor or insufficient police work.

If you want to solve society's problems, it's better to do so from a position of truthfulness.

If you don't know much about life assurance or short term insurance, rather invite a qualified actuary to comment on this blog.

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Firstly thanks for posting with your real name. Very refreshing and ballsy.

I was an accredited life insurance broker with a huge south african company in a previous life. I know what life insurance I have. I could get it cheap because I was young. If you can't get it cheap it's because you're fat, old or unhealthy. Not because you've got a good chance of getting murdered. You don't...as a whitey you've got an extremely small chance of getting murdered. I'd bet anything the actuaries don't even take it into consideration when they work on the premiums. This is a brilliant way for me to put a nial in the coffin. I know some actuaries and I'll try and see if they're willing to offer some insight. I doubt it though as they'd pretty much not allowed to discuss this stuff.

Anonymous said...

The Rooster said...
"Anon pointed out that there are only 5 500 000 cars in South Africa. So we should factor that in. Ok..let's use that as the population.....we hey...oh let's call it a 2.5 million to one chance ? Less than the chances of dying on an airoplane ? He also speculated that there are 4 people in a car at a given time. Pure bullshit. Drive around today and count how many cars have 4 people in them other than morning time when kids are going to school."

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You can't use that as the population as more than 5 500 000 people use cars per day. Why don't you post the comment and let people judge for themselves? Your stats are far more fallacious than mine. You have to be in a car to be hijacked so why not factor in the amount of cars, also I think that 50% of people using passenger vehicles per day in SA was fair. In fact ,I think it is more.

The Rooster said...

I'm talking about the odds of being murdered in a hijacking. You're talking about a totally different thing. You're odds may be 2 million to 1 of being car jacked, but they're 17 million to 1 of being murdered on any given day.

I don't know anybody...not one single person who has ever been hijacked.

Anonymous said...

The Rooster said...
"It's so nice to drive around and not feel like you're going to get murdered ! In South Africa every day we fear for our lives !"

You've all heard it and many of you have nodded in agreement. I've got news : You're mentally sick."

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When you are being hijacked and have a gun in your face are you not worried about being murdered?
The fear of being hijacked relates directly to the fear of being murdered during the hijacking even it you are not.

Still not posting the comment I see. Maybe I should introduce you to my brother and sister who were hijacked (seperate incidents)and then you will know 2 people.
BTW, it's not two million to one. Who said that?

the bs detector said...
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Anonymous said...

Rooster the tosser.
I don't know anybody...not one single person who has ever been hijacked.

Well if you take your fucking dumb head out of the sand and go out once in a while, speak to normal people who are left in SA. Then you might open your eyes and see the truth. Do you work for the fucking ANC with your head up Madelas fat black ass.
I know of lots of people who have been robbed, hijacked, mugged and one good friend of mine was killed in a hijacking.
So just fuck off rooster, you are a ANC dick head. I hope your family gets aids and all get robbed, hijacked and anything else that can happen. Then you might wake up.

The Rooster said...

When you are being hijacked and have a gun in your face are you not worried about being murdered?
The fear of being hijacked relates directly to the fear of being murdered during the hijacking even it you are not.

Still not posting the comment I see. Maybe I should introduce you to my brother and sister who were hijacked (seperate incidents)and then you will know 2 people.
BTW, it's not two million to one. Who said that?

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the maths isn't complicated. You stand an extremely low chance of being hijacked on any given day. It's not something a rational person would worry about. Bad things happen everywhere and to everyone. The key to a happy life is keeping the proportion you worry about them in correlation to the likelyhood they will happen. If you're a man between the aged of 30 and 35 your chance is 1 in 3 of getting certain kinds of cancer...that should be higher on your list of some obscure chance of getting hijcaked surely ? Are we to encourage neuroris ? What is your agenda ?

The Rooster said...

Well if you take your fucking dumb head out of the sand and go out once in a while, speak to normal people who are left in SA. Then you might open your eyes and see the truth. Do you work for the fucking ANC with your head up Madelas fat black ass.
I know of lots of people who have been robbed, hijacked, mugged and one good friend of mine was killed in a hijacking.
So just fuck off rooster, you are a ANC dick head. I hope your family gets aids and all get robbed, hijacked and anything else that can happen. Then you might wake up.

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What is an ANC dickhead ?

I speak to normal people everyday. I have not met 1 person who has been hijacked. I have not even met one person who even has a story about a friend being hijacked. A few family members i know live in jh and insisyt it's a big deal , but the credibnility of theur statement is dampened by the fact they refuse to move. They love it there so they can't really believe that it's a big deal.

Look you might not know it but you're a part of a freakishly unlucky minority. You huddle together opj the internet and make a lot of noise andf give the impression you're a majority but sorry my friends, you're not. You had a bad experience , i'm sorry about that , but please don't use it to usher everyone else into a culture of fear.

Anonymous said...

Rooster...

Your blog is muddled up.

1. You start off your blog by assuming that there is a percentage of people that moan about crime and sensationalise it.

True.

2. You then attack those opinions with stats and "logical" arguing.

True.

3. You then resort to insults and name-calling when people challenge you. You throw every name in the book at them simply because you refuse to accept what they have to say, because it MIGHT weaken your articles.

True.

4. You suddenly start painting whites as a whole with the same brush, using phrases like "you whites" etc.

True.

5. You degenerate your arguments into strawman circles and call people James Randi wannabes (as well as going into history about 19th-C reductionism that nobody gives a shit about) when they simply challenge your sweeping claims that you so often.

True.

6. When cornered or pressured, you resort to arguments that appeal to the emotions.


What I'm saying is that your intentions are good. But you're missing the point of what a balanced debate it. There are extreme racists who comment here, and they are no different to your extremities either.

Anonymous said...

"What i do take issue with is these people who run around the internet with a bag of tricks. Basically they use something called 19th century reductionism. The basic premise of this idea is that anything can be better know if we reduce it to simpler parts. That's good and fine and very true for the lumpy parts of the universe. However when we're talking about things like cosmology and the universe or god , it fails. It becomes apparent in these cases that 19th century reductionism is a special type of thing : a faith based dogma. What people are doing is perpetuating a faith based belief that anything that can be known can be observed and follows the 4 forces of the universe. Anyone who known anything about quantum physics, string theory, gravity etc is in on the joke."

Actually, the anon comment further up that owned you was simply challenged claims you made. No 19th-C reductionism nonsense was used, as if it was all some thought-out plan with an agenda. And you still haven't responded to half of them anyway.

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"for example "james randi wannabes" will argue that there is no evidence for explosions used on 9/11 based on nothing more than faith."

However, the overwhelming amounts of evidence points to exactly what it is was: an incredibly well orchestrated terrorist attack. Islamic extremist group(s) have even taken ownership. Unless they too are all in on it, hey Rooster?

Now, other than a handful of (what can easily be doctored) claims from a few firefighters and unclear footage, the idea that the whole thing was all part of one huge conspiracy cleverly planned out by US authorities so that they can have an excuse to grab oil, requires heaps more faith than simple fundamenatlist terrorism.

I'll accept conspiracy theories when they become a lot stronger in their supporting evidences.

And are no longer theories.

The Rooster said...

However, the overwhelming amounts of evidence points to exactly what it is was: an incredibly well orchestrated terrorist attack. Islamic extremist group(s) have even taken ownership. Unless they too are all in on it, hey Rooster?

Now, other than a handful of (what can easily be doctored) claims from a few firefighters and unclear footage, the idea that the whole thing was all part of one huge conspiracy cleverly planned out by US authorities so that they can have an excuse to grab oil, requires heaps more faith than simple fundamenatlist terrorism.


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See ? You're entirely ignorant of the evidence and data but have taken a side. No my friend , there is real evidence. Chemical traces of thermate in the dust not to mention that if bombs weren't used you're breaking a little thing called "newtonian physics" three times in one day.

When you make ridiculous claims that require me to believe the laws of newtonian physics have seemingly been broken then by occams razor it becomes your perogative to provide the evidence. When you provide great;y flawed arguments like "pabcakje theory" and "piston theory" that themselves are entirely absurd then you are not on the side of science my friend.

In science you don';t prove something by providing highly unlikely alternatives because it sounds more plausible to the way you see the world. This is what has been done. It's a fucking joke.

The Rooster said...

I'll accept conspiracy theories when they become a lot stronger in their supporting evidences.

And are no longer theories.


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How will you know if you're dismissing them without looking at their evidence ?

By the way have you ever heard of something called "the theory of gravity" ? It's still just a thoery (and by the way I bet you didn't know that we have no idea why it's such a weak force and people believe it's because some of the energy escapes into other dimensions)but I bet you wouldn't jump off a building because of that.

I don't say every conspiracy theory is true. But I fucking hate people who simply dismiss them by assuming if there's evidence for it then everyone would believe it. Sometimes things are so sinister that the human mind rejects them , although they're so painfully obvious if you look for it.

By the way ...answer this question. What is tghe official thoery of why and how the three towers fell on 9/11 ?

I bet you don't even know , yet you've taken a side. I don't know either way, there are some good arguments for both cases. But at least I've allowed my mind to remain opebn nough not to be blinded by machievellian agendas.

Anonymous said...

"See ? You're entirely ignorant of the evidence and data but have taken a side."

I take sides with the most obviously powerful stance, which is anti-Western Islamic fundamentalism. Not weak conspiracies with sloppy "evidence". You can see more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories

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"No my friend , there is real evidence."

That's debatable. Most of the "evidence" presented by the theorists has not made it past majority of the credible journals and expert opinions. The Michael Moore types are hellbent on looking for anything to stab at the Bush administration's evil hidden agendas to drill for evil oil to make more evil money.

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Chemical traces of thermate in the dust not to mention that if bombs weren't used you're breaking a little thing called "newtonian physics" three times in one day. "

Nicely cherrypicked, but inconclusive and inaccurate. Read http://www.911myths.com/html/traces_of_thermate_at_the_wtc.html

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"When you make ridiculous claims that require me to believe the laws of newtonian physics have seemingly been broken then by occams razor it becomes your perogative to provide the evidence. "

Again, you're cherrypicking data that has been successfully ripped apart. See more here: http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc__demolition_.html

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"But I fucking hate people who simply dismiss them by assuming if there's evidence for it then everyone would believe it."

Agreed.

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"Sometimes things are so sinister that the human mind rejects them , although they're so painfully obvious if you look for it."

Fair enough. But you need to evidence to support that, then. Not merely logical reasoning. Also, if you look hard enough, you can find anything. Like the tooth fairy.

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"By the way have you ever heard of something called "the theory of gravity" ? It's still just a thoery "

That's a horribly flawed statement that perpetuates a common misunderstanding in science. To say that something is a "theory" is one of the most powerful statements of fact a scientist can make. By saying that gravity is a theory is actually saying that it is a grounded fact. "It's just a theory" can probably be more appropriate when using the term "hypothesis", as in "it's just a hypothesis".

Accordingly, conspiracy theories could be more appropriately described as "conspiracy hypotheses".

Comparing the fact of gravity to 9/11 "hypotheses" is really quite silly.

Anonymous said...

hey rooster


i am a saffa living
in oz and they say here in oz
that 20 aussies get hiv every week
thats pretty high

for a first world.

and someone wrote on here that
aussies dont have

1. Why is it a reality that buses have security grids to protect the drivers? This doesn't happen in Australia. If it's because of warped "perception", please provide hard evidence for that.


well they do cause people here in oz dont pay fares and bash
the drvers. i know rooster i live in aussie . so what he wrote isnt true

thing is rooster i wamt to come to
durban where iam from

thing is i went back for the first time in 10 years and was carjacked
and i was only i ndurbs for 3 months and car jacked in that short space of time.
was i unlucky rooster or
is crime still high?


cheers . so u said u will have the hansa waiting for me sunds lekker

Anonymous said...

The Rooster said...
the maths isn't complicated. You stand an extremely low chance of being hijacked on any given day. It's not something a rational person would worry about. Bad things happen everywhere and to everyone. The key to a happy life is keeping the proportion you worry about them in correlation to the likelihood they will happen. If you're a man between the aged of 30 and 35 your chance is 1 in 3 of getting certain kinds of cancer...that should be higher on your list of some obscure chance of getting hijacked surely ? Are we to encourage neuroris ? What is your agenda ?

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Good advice for anybody staying in SA for one day but every day you are here the chance increases.

I don't really believe that there is a 66% chance of getting hijacked in your life but I am just showing you what you sound like to us with your cooked stats and bias opinions. A lot of people in a lot of areas of SA are having huge problems with crime but to you they are all liars.

The Rooster said...

thing is i went back for the first time in 10 years and was carjacked
and i was only i ndurbs for 3 months and car jacked in that short space of time.
was i unlucky rooster or
is crime still high?


cheers . so u said u will have the hansa waiting for me sunds lekker


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That's terrible luck. I've never had anything like this happen to me or even known anyone that had it happen. Look there is crime in S.A. It's not nearly as bad as some people will have you believe , but of course it's there.

And for sure , I'll keep those beers cold for you. And even if you never come home I hope you always spread the good word and at l;east stay a saffer in your heart. Because we're a quirky bunch and we got to stick together.

The Rooster said...

Good advice for anybody staying in SA for one day but every day you are here the chance increases.

I don't really believe that there is a 66% chance of getting hijacked in your life but I am just showing you what you sound like to us with your cooked stats and bias opinions. A lot of people in a lot of areas of SA are having huge problems with crime but to you they are all liars.

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The problem is you're making a statistical flaw. You're taking the chances of something happening and ampifying it over time. There's some validity nto that but you need to take into account the fact that byou start from square one once the period is over.

You could toss a coin and it could land "tails" one million times and there would be nothing statistically strange about that. Each time the chance is still 50%.You're not a total fuckwad , you're just in need of some intellectual refinement.

Anonymous said...

The Rooster said………
The problem is you're making a statistical flaw. You're taking the chances of something happening and ampifying it over time. There's some validity nto that but you need to take into account the fact that byou start from square one once the period is over.

You could toss a coin and it could land "tails" one million times and there would be nothing statistically strange about that. Each time the chance is still 50%.You're not a total fuckwad , you're just in need of some intellectual refinement.

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I can accept that. In fact the refinements needed in my statistics are as apparent to me now as when I first typed them up. I was simply trying to demonstrate the obvious refinement needed in your stats by contrast, but it seems to have gone way over your head. Never mind……

Rooster, you should change your name to “The Pet Shop Owner” and crime can be “the dead parrot.” We are not all just pining for the old days. Those of us in that scrum between poor and “rich” (I agree about the race myth) have some justifiable points about crime and don’t deserve to be put in the “Whinging Whitey” box all the time.

The upper-middle class area that I live in is considered “low risk” by the SAPS but here is our reality. We have 1615 members in our neighbourhood watch; crimes suffered in 2008 by those 1600 odd members are:

215 House burglaries
31 Intruder found in home
12 Mugged
28 Hijacked
43 Theft from vehicle

Now it’s not S.A.S. drastic but I really don’t think this happens in upper-middle class areas of Australia and Canada and it is definitely not your 1 zillion to 1 theory either.

Anonymous said...

hey rooster

i thought i would share this with you

ok so in oz they have started blowing up
auto banks here just like in saffa
so i guess with crime u can run but u cant hide

crime in the end will be everywhere

The Rooster said...

Rooster, you should change your name to “The Pet Shop Owner” and crime can be “the dead parrot.” We are not all just pining for the old days. Those of us in that scrum between poor and “rich” (I agree about the race myth) have some justifiable points about crime and don’t deserve to be put in the “Whinging Whitey” box all the time.
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Furry muff. But I hope you nunderstand the difference between moaning about crime as a concerned citizen and between doing it because you feel it validates your ignorant racism ? When we dehumanise others we humanise ourselves. That's not some arty farty idea that sounds catchy...it's a real pragmatic fact.

The Rooster said...

hey rooster

i thought i would share this with you

ok so in oz they have started blowing up
auto banks here just like in saffa
so i guess with crime u can run but u cant hide

crime in the end will be everywhere

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Thanks buddy. I'll look into it.

The Rooster said...

Oh jesus christ ! There's no fucking genocide for fuck sakes. I've proved that time and time again.

the bs detector said...

I don't know so much about the 6 degrees of separation theory.

Not when I have a friend who was attacked in her home with her husband just around the corner from me nearly a year ago.

Not when my neighbour just around another corner got shot in his garage a few months ago, and all the booms had to be closed except for one. And that only lasted a short time because of the traffic congestion.

I also get creeped out by the ANC saying they can provide child support of R240 a month for every child in SA until age 18 - a mere additional price tag of R10 billion a year - plus a R100 per month child care grant, when it's total bs and there is no place that money is going to come from, because you haven't got it, nobody's got it.

Blacks are not so stupid to believe the ANC's political hijack promises either. I deliberately go to a black hair salon to hear what the indigenees are saying.

They aren't buying the bs, no way.

Anonymous said...

On the subject of genocide through affirmative action policies: municipalities and government departments seldom submit employment equity reports, with the result that proportional employment of blacks is skewed downwards in those sizeable areas.