Wednesday, 13 July 2011

A diary of God, in the mind of a extreme right winger...

Coming soon...

But first....

South Africa is as expensive as the rest of the world now is it ?

Well is it really now you total bunch of fools ?

http://www.mercer.com/costoflivingpr#City_rankings

Huh ? Is it ? You globally world record deserving winners of  moron status ?

No, it isn't We're still massively on the cheaper end of the spectrum despite the Rand being extremely strong. To put things in perspective there isn't a single city of significance in India, Russia , China and Brazil cheaper than Jhb and Cape Town. You know our fellow Brics developing economies ? In fact they fall far from it all things considered.

Why is everything white South Africans think almost always extremely wrong ?  What special brand of totally moronic brains are white South Africans instilled seemingly at the genetic level  with that they always overstate their lot of bad in life ? What a bunch of horrific,intolerable twats.

56 comments:

Dachshund said...

This continual electricity price increase story is getting to the poor big time. How would you like it if you had to pay insanely high toll fees to get to work in the certain knowledge that you were going to freeze your arse off come night time because you can't afford electricity?

The Rooster said...

We've been through this. Our electricity price is still well below thew world average. That goes for third or first world countries.

Dachshund said...

Those commentators over at Mike Smith's blog aren't right wingers, they are Zionists. I doubt whether Mike Smith is even a Boer. He writes very fluent English and then makes deliberate spelling and grammar mistakes, as if he were impersonating the Afrikaner's way of expressing himself. We've been down this road before as well ...

Real Boers behave nothing like that crowd. A Boer does not insult a woman and call her vile names. A Boer does not stalk and harass women or make anonymous death threats. Those people are not Boers. They are even worse than Julius Malema because they pretend to be what they are not.

The Rooster said...

Yes, very few people know the connection between Zionism and a certain sector of the boer masses (in their perception) or "Israeliete" as they call themselves. It's some crazy stuff going on in their heads.

Dachshund said...

Whatever they think they are, they're a bunch of dumb thugs and losers.

Dachshund said...

Just look at this! A 48 year old thug drives all the way from Mpumalanga to beat up a 57 year old professor of philosophy at the University of Stellenbosch because he doesn't agree with his views. What a coward. What a cunt.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Right-wingers-praise-attack-on-prof-20110715

Bennie said...

Why don’t you two dumb arseholes just marry each other? That way there’ll be no need to talk your crap on this feeble excuse of a blog!

pincer said...

Mercer list and high living standard?

Which version now is the correct one? See Moneyweb, referring to the same website:

"What happened to cheap South Africa?"

http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mw/view/mw/en/page535475?oid=547625&sn=2009+Detail&pid=287226

Dachshund said...

To his total surprise, the court is keeping Abel Malan locked up so, in an effort to spring bail, he has gone on hunger strike. Epic fail.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/attacker-stays-in-jail-1.1100238

The Rooster said...

Pincer do I need to really have to explain why South Africa has gotten (in some aspects more expensive ?)

Now remembering that the cost of living absolutely just about everywhere has increased. But the ones hardest hit are developing countries.

This is due to the economic principle of supply and demand. The value of a commodity is directly related to the supply of the commodity (in this case counter to perception South Afirca produces far more agricultural output that ever before) ...versus the demand of that product.

Now what has happened in South Africa over the past decade ? Remember we were always proud of being the cheapest country in the whole world PP based. So what changed ?

Well our GDP doubled. Our middle class more than doubled. Our cronically poor halved. Suddenly the demand for foods...before luxury has boomed. Meat prices soar, so do things people didn't eat before like rice and pasta (change of diet from maize meal and cabbage). My family is in the supermarket trade and they will hapilly confirm that the buying trends and demands of today in the black market are massively different from defore.

What else changed ? Oh yeah ! they lifted sanctions ! We could export our foods ! And of course this is the reason agriculture boomed. We are the second biggest fruit exporter in the world. We recently had record maize and what yields (last year).

In China, Brazil etc they are complaining about the exact same things. It's fine to say X place is cheap but you have to compare it against income. South African average income is way higher than the chinese,Indian Brazilian or even russian one.

What else has changed ? According to Sairr the average income of black South Africans is 180% higher IN REAL terms. For whites it's only 150% higher in real inflation adjusted terms !! It's absurd with all of this taken into context to say "quality of life" is lower.

Growing up in a farming community I watched almost all local farmers go from near peasants to Land Cruiser driving, thriving people in just over a decade. They still moan of course, but that's farmers.

You see ? Easy to try piss on cornflakes. But look at the whole picture and it's abundantly clear that to complainabout quality of life here is adsurd.

The Rooster said...

Datchs what is hilarious about the S.A extreme right is they are the most victim card carrying, pity parade walking, entitlement issue brandishing bunch of people the world has ever known.

The type of people the "extreme right" are always meant to be against.

pincer said...

I would like to see you selling your point to Moneyweb.

What I see with my own eyes is that a lot of this new wealth is due to redistribution of wealth from one group to another.

Dachshund said...

It's true that the retail sector is doing well here, and this is borne out by the performance of listed property shares over the last 5 years or so. During the 2008 stock market crash, when equity portfolios were socked with up to 40% losses, listed property shares suffered far less.

Simply put, buying shares in listed properties with anchor tenants like Shoprite, Pick 'n Pay, Edgars, Foschini, Woolworths, will give you nice steady returns and good capital growth. I have seen this over and over in my client portfolios.

Check out this link to see what listed property unit trusts are doing. I'm impressed with the steadiness of those returns over several years.

http://www.equinox.co.za/unittrusts/funds/fundresults.asp?func=sector

The Rooster said...

I would like to see you selling your point to Moneyweb.

What I see with my own eyes is that a lot of this new wealth is due to redistribution of wealth from one group to another.


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This is tosh of the highest order. A tiny group of whites are poor. The white unemployment rate is 4%. The gross majority of high earners and business owners are whites. The gross majority of land owners is white. Whites earning increased 150% in real terms. What redistribution ?

In the same time get this number....5 million houses have been built. The black middle class now outnumbers the white middlclass at around 6 million versus 4 million where before it hardly even existed(not that the white middle class has shrunk.)

Ask any economist if the South African GDP has grown or shrunk against population growth in the last 10 years. There is masses of new wealth running around and that's obvious if you're not younger than say 30 and could remember the penny saving days most (including whites) struggled through during Apartheid.

pincer said...

"...if you're not younger than say 30 and could remember the penny saving days most (including whites) struggled through during Apartheid".

This somehow contradicts some things written in the past. The whites were poor in the past? But they oppressed the blacks and retained all the wealth, so how could they have been poor? I thought the whites were the beneficiaries of Apartheid? I mean during Apartheid that is when all the cities were expanding and much industry was developed, like the Sasols, the Iscors (now Mittal Steel), the banking and insurance industries. The infrastructure, the highways, the roads.

The Rooster said...

This somehow contradicts some things written in the past. The whites were poor in the past? But they oppressed the blacks and retained all the wealth, so how could they have been poor? I thought the whites were the beneficiaries of Apartheid? I mean during Apartheid that is when all the cities were expanding and much industry was developed, like the Sasols, the Iscors (now Mittal Steel), the banking and insurance industries. The infrastructure, the highways, the roads.

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Firstly let's not play semantics games. You know I mean relatively struggling.

Secondly the far right loves to do this : Set up pantomimed strawmen of the black perspective.

Go talk to your average black and ask them if they think whites merely succeed through oppression. You'll get the off answer out of envy or pride that will bite back, but it depends how you ask the question. Ask it nicely without aggression (as I have done myself on many occasions ) and you will find that blacks in this country for the most part have great respect for white people's work ethic, expertise and knowledge.

Only in the vivid imagination of your friends in the far right are all blacks more Julius Malema than nelson Mandela in their world view.

It's so resounding obvious the spirit in which blacks actually want to earn the approval of whites in this country when you make the effort to treat them with humanity and dignity. Something a extremist will never experience with his mean spirit and condescending behaviour towards other races.

Sadly it's these types of verkramptes that have built the growing negative perception blacks have towards right far more than anything the A.N.C youth league ever has. I see everyday some white prick guy swearing at a poor black security guard in a bank or waitress in a restaurant or driver on the road for some petty thing how the extreme whites are the biggest poison in race relations in this country.

pincer said...

"Firstly let's not play semantics games. You know I mean relatively struggling".

I am not playing games, I want to know the facts. Please explain 'relatively struggling'.

You are contrasting the white lifestyle today, which in your opinion is much better than in the past. I as a reader have to understand your points.

Can you underwrite the following with references to notable sources, that is - publications by recognized people in the market:

1) Whites earning increased 150% in real terms

2) Well our GDP doubled.

3)Our middle class more than doubled.

4)Our cronically poor halved.

5) We are the second biggest fruit exporter in the world.

6) 5 million houses have been built (How many were build by Apartheid?).

7) The black middle class now outnumbers the white middlclass at around 6 million versus 4 million where before it hardly even existed.

"Ask any economist..."

Would Moneyweb be an acceptable source for you?

The Rooster said...

1) Whites earning increased 150% in real terms

2) Well our GDP doubled.

3)Our middle class more than doubled.

4)Our cronically poor halved.

5) We are the second biggest fruit exporter in the world.

6) 5 million houses have been built (How many were build by Apartheid?).

7) The black middle class now outnumbers the white middlclass at around 6 million versus 4 million where before it hardly even existed.

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Ah man, here we go again. I grow weary of over and over and over again repeating easily googled sources.

Just search my site, I probably linked to those things each 10 times in the past. But here's a good place to start.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/Survey-Service-delivery-failure-a-myth-20110123

http://www.sairr.org.za/sairr-today-1/research-and-policy-brief-the-case-for-south-africa-29th-november-2010

(apaologies ..the average income has increased by over 201% adjusted to inflation.)

I left out a few other obvious ones ...like the fact that murder is down 50% since 1994 etc too.

pincer said...

No, those links are not the links I am looking for. Those are secondary sources. They will not go down as a research paper. I need primary sources. There where the statistics are generated.

Because just by reading these links over here I get the impression that the growth has been due to a huge embezzlement of the countries wealth, not by organic growth.

It was quite an eyebrow raiser that crime has fallen by 50%. Where on earth do you source that information? I can not find it.

As for Frans Cronje's article - I will come back with a due reply.

Already the comments on news24 suggest that all is not well with his article. The SAIIR is by no means an unbiased organization, having played a political role against Apartheid.

Frans Cronje, in my opinion, is busy with picking peas and leaving out important facts, suggesting a whitewashing exercise. The general impression his article leaves me is that we have become in effect a socialist state. Even his article begs the question for he leaves no footnotes from where he sourced his information. That is academic sloppiness. Is it his personal opinion or is it established fact?

But I will come with a due reply (after the weekend).

The Rooster said...

Ag you amateur. Provide me alternate stats that show else wise that aren't totally sucked out of a thumb.

And the decrease in violent crime by 50% is based on all the available information provided by cause of death certificates, morgues, hospitals, police records etc etc etc etc etc etc....you have any other better source ? No ? I'll answer for you....No !


I been studying this for 4 years buddy. I know what information is out there. And you have issues the validity of my claims ?

Based on what ? Based on fucking what ? What evidence do you have that goes to show anything mister Cronje's claims and data are not valid ?

Do you even know on what his claims are based ? Where are you coming from ?

Admit it at least to yourself. Your entire perception of South Africa is heavily influenced by the political , paranoid, agenda ridden scaremongering and hyperbole of the extreme right.

The type of people who were many years before we democracy here predicting all forms of doom.

But don't dare come fucking tell me you have any contrary and valid sources to discredit the ones posted on the two source I supplied.

Want to talk about subjective, nonobjective, unscientifically invalid arguments ?

you better be ready to remove a lot of logs from your own eyes.

Amateur !

The Rooster said...

Sorry for the aggro tone. I'm just worn out with having to deal with an over supply of the same stupid, uninformed dumb shit over and over and over again.

pincer said...

“Ag you amateur. Provide me alternate stats that show else wise that aren't totally sucked out of a thumb”.

Sir, at times there is the suspicion that you do not seem to be acquainted with the rigors of academic research, and you have a propensity to belittle by falling into personal attacks.

As for being tired about the supposed ‘stupid, uninformed dumb shit’ - there are people outside there who are uninformed, and I might be one of them.

Thus you should present your arguments in a concise manner, together with references. By placing the onus on the reader to do their own research and just saying they should research themselves, it begs the question why they should visit this website at all.

This website lays certain claims, and thus it should substantiate them, and not the reader.

Forgive me to make this remark. Although you might have a wealth of knowledge, there seems to however to be a problem of conveying this knowledge in a way one is used to when dealing with other publications.

Do you really expect us readers to start visiting morgues, hospitals and police records in order to substantiate your claims? But that is highly preposterous! If that was an academic paper, the footnote would be ‘go and visit the morgues, hospital and police records’, instead of a reference to a publication of esteem. You seem to have a propensity to call persons who question your claims as being influenced by right-wingers or being right-wing themselves.

You may be rest assured that there are instances out there that do not fall into either category, but only want to be after the truth.

On the surface one recognizes that you are trying to lay claim to misrepresented information about South Africa, but on closer inspection there seems to be a strange inconsistency in with what you are trying to convey, which is out of line with the strict rigors of a masters degree.

Dachshund said...

Why doesn't pincer click on the Equinox unit trust link I previously provided to see what's happening in the local economy? From listed property you can switch over to general equity, bonds, money markets, the whole bang shoot. Some people prefer to whinge rather than read up the facts.

Dachshund said...

Why doesn't pincer click on the Equinox unit trust link I previously provided to see what's happening in the local economy? From listed property you can switch over to general equity, bonds, money markets, the whole bang shoot. Some people prefer to whinge rather than read up the facts.

The Rooster said...

Pincer, this isn't a fucking thesis. This is where I let some steam off. Yet everything I posted is based on the best available dat and evidence. I write my average post in under 5 minutes and am far too busy to every single time reference every single claim I make.

But rest assured if I make a new claim I do give it a reference. All the claims I have made in the posts in question I've referenced to in the past. Just search my blog.

Say what you like but the real ones making baseless claims are the wolf criers and alarmists. They sit the dummy with adjective full long winded tirades about South Africa turning in Zimbabwe and all such absolute baseless crap that when put up to scrutiny falls at just about every single hurdle.

I challege you to bring me more valid data that suggests that the country is in any significant way worse off now than it was in 1994. This challenge I have upheld for 4 years without anyone being able to do it.

Come on...go ahead. In what tiny significant way is the country worse off ? You won't even come close because it's better in just about every single way. In fact I can't think of one way it's worse off when you look at the data available.

pincer said...

I do the research? I do not have the resources, I rely on the input of others, but I certainly query what is being told to me.

I hoped I could find a few answers over here.

Four years of studying should be able to produce links and facts at the tip of ones finger and not only a few meager links and on top of it all placing the onus on the readers to do the research. This pretty much sounds like waffle.

The source of collection of data in South Africa, according to my knowledge, are three instances. In the first instance the Government, for example the Department of Statistics for quite a broad range of data, inter alia economic data, or the Police Services in cooperation with the courts. Morgues, death certificates - why, that us not our work to corroborate that data, it is the work of government departments, that is what they are getting paid for by the fiscus. In the second instance you have the Universities, for example the bureau of Economic research associated with the University of Stellenbosch. The Universities interact with government departments in cross-checking statistics. In the third instances you get certain private sector institutions which specialize on doing surveys, but they work with a limited budget and often refer to secondary data produced by others.

News24, IOL and all the other main stream media refer to the research results of the above three instances, thus they are secondary sources of information. They quote from the research of others. I am not interested in those as a source of proof.

I am interested in the primary sources - there where the data is generated.

For instance police statistics- I want to see a decrease in 50% in their police tables released on the SAPS website. By the best of my abilities I do not notice a 50% decrease.

If there are websites claiming a 50% decrease by quoting another website who quotes another website then it is a rumor mill.

If your website does not move on that level, I obviously have landed at the wrong address, especially in the light that its purpose is to blow off steam and, by the looks off it, by putting in a knife at right-wingers and Afrikaners. This gives this site the shade of a political blog, which always carries a bias, I am sorry to say.

pincer said...

Here is an example of the kind of information I am looking for. So that you can understand what I am trying to explain.

Electricity prices:

http://www.navorsing.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/16MikeSchussler.pdf

Anonymous said...

All I see here is Dachund and Rooster trying to prove that SA is successfully being run by white capitalist money mongers...If they agree with that, then they may as well join Malema and his merry brigade in the next revolution...By the way, good to see Rooster stumbling @16 July 2011 1:25 PM and having to apologise...

pincer said...

You might be refering to this:

"For the first time since
the establishment of the South African Police Service in 1995/1996, murder declined to below 17 000 cases. The decrease from 26 877 to 16 834 cases between 1995/1996 and 2009/2010 represents a 50% reduction in the murder ratio".

http://www.saps.gov.za/saps_profile/strategic_framework/annual_report/2009_2010/3_crime_situation.pdf

But what I am after is this:

http://www.africancrisis.co.za/Article.php?ID=11191&

And the stats provided by General Herman Stadler in the back of his book 'The Other Side of the Story'.

The first question I ask myself is 1995/1996 a reasonable basis year for comparison purposes. That is the date South Africa emerged out of the People's War. That is not a natural event. But Jan Lamprecht's figures refer to older periods. The crime is low, and that is how I experienced it in person back then. It was the time without alarms and fortifications approaching those of the middle ages.

The CSS (Central Statistical Services), now renamed the Department of Statistics, published crime statistics as received from court records. Those statistics were still race bases. I would like to see those statistics and what the murder rates were back then in the white areas, and how integration has changed that profile. That is what I am after at. Today it seems that the crime statistics of the CSS has been moved to the SAPS IT division, for the last crime report from StatsSa was this report:

http://www.statssa.gov.za/publications/VictimsOfCrime/VictimsOfCrime1997.pdf

I would like to see a similar analysis today.

pincer said...

"According to Sairr the average income of black South Africans is 180% higher IN REAL terms. For whites it's only 150% higher in real inflation adjusted terms !!"

I can not comment for their publications have to be purchased, but by googling 'income ditribution' I obtained this significant report:

http://www.irinnews.org/pdf/saincome.pdf

According to this document, the following:

- Demographs show that 600 000 Afrikaners may be currently classified as poor.
- 46% of white households cannot afford a house of more than R200 000
- Currently there are 77 white squatter camps in Pretoria and countrywide more than 430.
- Between 1994 and 2005 Afrikaner poverty increased by 150%
- For the first time since the 30's of the previous century there is a growing number of poor whites.

http://www.helpendehand.co.za/wp-content/uploads/dokumente/afrikaner-armoede.pdf

There are very serious allegations in that document. It would suggest a siphoning of wealth from the white community by means of a couple of instruments, for example BEE laws, increased rates and taxes and many more, for instance Frans Cronje's statement and I quote "Today every (mainly white) income tax payer foots the bill for the living expenses of three poor (mainly black) households and will continue to do so for years to come".

We know that rates and taxes have increased massively. There is subsidy at the lower end of the market. School fees have risen tremendously, whereas in the past it was for free. I can provide many more examples.

If one looks at the vehicles whites drive, it could be misleading, for one does not see the macro economic picture by looking at vehicles alone. It could be that the household debt has risen and that savings have decreased elsewhere, for example the trend toward smaller properties. But that needs a better analysis in the format of statistical examples I have provided before.

The Rooster said...

Four years of studying should be able to produce links and facts at the tip of ones finger and not only a few meager links and on top of it all placing the onus on the readers to do the research. This pretty much sounds like waffle.

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I don't hold myself to your anal standards. This is a hobby not a job. I'm extremely disinterested in conforming to what makes your life more convenient. Go fuck yourself.

The Rooster said...

The source of collection of data in South Africa, according to my knowledge, are three instances. In the first instance the Government, for example the Department of Statistics for quite a broad range of data, inter alia economic data, or the Police Services in cooperation with the courts. Morgues, death certificates - why, that us not our work to corroborate that data, it is the work of government departments, that is what they are getting paid for by the fiscus. In the second instance you have the Universities, for example the bureau of Economic research associated with the University of Stellenbosch. The Universities interact with government departments in cross-checking statistics. In the third instances you get certain private sector institutions which specialize on doing surveys, but they work with a limited budget and often refer to secondary data produced by others.

News24, IOL and all the other main stream media refer to the research results of the above three instances, thus they are secondary sources of information. They quote from the research of others. I am not interested in those as a source of proof.

I am interested in the primary sources - there where the data is generated.

For instance police statistics- I want to see a decrease in 50% in their police tables released on the SAPS website. By the best of my abilities I do not notice a 50% decrease.

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The data is directly from the S.A.P.S website. With a tiny bit of initiative you could easily find it.

Next google how the data is accumulated. As such an expert in research methodology I'm sure you will suitable impressed with it's relative validity to the sprouting and nonsensical rambling of the alarmists and scaremongers.

For the sake of it I'm going to throw out another stat without linking it for you...

The chance of a white woman being murdered in South Africa is 2.8 per 100 000. Less than the female murder rate of many states in the U.S.A.

The Rooster said...

http://www.irinnews.org/pdf/saincome.pdf

According to this document, the following:

- Demographs show that 600 000 Afrikaners may be currently classified as poor.
- 46% of white households cannot afford a house of more than R200 000
- Currently there are 77 white squatter camps in Pretoria and countrywide more than 430.
- Between 1994 and 2005 Afrikaner poverty increased by 150%
- For the first time since the 30's of the previous century there is a growing number of poor whites.


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What a load of bollocks.

77 white squatter camps in Pretoria ? Are you trying to sell that snake oil with a straight face ? Want me to publish a map of Pretoria and try point out even 10 squatter camps in total for all races ? Jy praat kak !

I think they mean literally 77 whites who live in squatter camps.

600 000 Afrikaners MAY be CLASSIFIED as POOR ? That's an awful lot of subjective wording there my friend.

Please define by what standards are they being classified as poor ? Because if it's by South African standards you're just being totally fucking ridiculous.

Afrikaners POVERTY INCREASED ?

See last point. Sure some useless dumb asses living of the biast apartheid system working for the railways and mines were deservingly going to end up poor as shit. You think these guys won't be on welfare in the U.S.A or U.K ? Have you met these inbred Cretins ? I have. And therefore I apologise to the people of Crete for the comparison.

Growing number of poor whites ? I don't see it. I don't know one unemployed white.

Nation wide the white unemployment rate is 4%. New Zealand is 10%. Suck it.

The Rooster said...

There are very serious allegations in that document. It would suggest a siphoning of wealth from the white community by means of a couple of instruments, for example BEE laws, increased rates and taxes and many more, for instance Frans Cronje's statement and I quote "Today every (mainly white) income tax payer foots the bill for the living expenses of three poor (mainly black) households and will continue to do so for years to come".

We know that rates and taxes have increased massively. There is subsidy at the lower end of the market. School fees have risen tremendously, whereas in the past it was for free. I can provide many more examples.


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How old are you kid ? Because sure as fuck taxes today are way less than during Apartheid. There can be no subjective debate when it comes to numerology. One number is just more than another number. Objective fact. And the number that is higher in relation to tax happens to be the one that existed during Apartheid.

How do you think they supported the massive military ? The arms deal everyone goes on and on about would not even be 1% of the yearly budget of the Old verkrampte S.A (What a shit hole that was.)

Mainly whites pay the tax ? Are you mad or just dumb ?

One third of tax is received from V.A.T...everyone pays that ! even the poorest of the poor (except maybe for mielie meal and sardines).

The black middle class is larger than the white populace....according to you hundreds of thousands of whites are poor but the whites are paying all the tax ? Ha ha ha ha...you contradict yourself asshole !!!!

Fuck off man...you are making yourself look stupid.

Another bites the dust. That's a song my queen. They existed before you were born snotneus.

Boertjie said...

Hi Dachshund

You've confused me a little...

Dachshund Quote : "Real Boers behave nothing like that crowd. A Boer does not insult a woman and call her vile names. A Boer does not stalk and harass women or make anonymous death threats. Those people are not Boers. They are even worse than Julius Malema because they pretend to be what they are not. "

Two Dachshund Quotes from "So it's over. I win." :

"Shooting your wife and two little kids is the vilest form of murder. However, it's not restricted to people who live in the Cape. It's part of the patriarchal Boer/Afrikaner way of thinking."

"Incidentally I don't care whether you call yourself a Boer or an Afrikaner, the one is just as stupid as the other."

Was that just an expression of your then anger and frustration with Ian , Uhuru Guru and the radical far-right or was that more your general sentiments towards Afrikaners/Boers? If it's the latter, what changed your sentiments?

BTW, your romanticization of the Boer left me with warm feeling inside! Nice to see the far-right connotations hasn't completely strangled everyones sentiments to the boer!

Appreciation & hot chocolate!

pincer said...

"I don't hold myself to your anal standards".

As mentioned before, swearing is also an argument. It comes across as a lack of respect and undermines the credibility of your website.

Let us look at some issues.

1) "The data is directly from the S.A.P.S website. With a tiny bit of initiative you could easily find it".

Not only that has been done, but also a link to the quote was provided by me, together with an analysis by me. Read again.

2) "Mainly whites pay the tax ? Are you mad or just dumb?"

Read again. Those are the words of Frans Cronje, taken from your website, which you provided as proof.

3) "77 white squatter camps in Pretoria ? Are you trying to sell that snake oil with a straight face?"

Read again. Those are the words of the Helping Hand. They are not an unknown organization, if those facts of them were lies, plenty of watchdogs would have exposed them. That has not been the case.

Perhaps it is the case that you are a little bit uninformed?

4) "Sure some useless dumb asses living of the biast apartheid system working for the railways and mines were deservingly going to end up poor as shit".

Reply (your words):

"I don't know one unemployed white".

How now brown cow?

5) "What a shit hole (Old verkrampte S.A) that was".

For example?

6) "Have you met these inbred Cretins ? I have".

You seem to be uninformed and not aware of people outside the circle of 'cretins'.

Some years ago the FF+ had a list of thousand highly qualified unemployed people. Thus not all unemployed are cretins. A high number of them, according to the union Solidarity, are tradesmen which our economy badly needs. Perhaps you should contact some recruiters and ask them about the state of highly qualified unemployed whites? It might be an eye opener.

7) "How old are you kid ? Because sure as fuck taxes today are way less than during Apartheid".

You never would know if you are busy interacting with a senior manager in the financial services industry, so leave out that insolent remark. It does not contribute toward this debate.

"Taxes less than during Apartheid"

Proof?

Current tax status:

http://www.solidariteit-blog.co.za/30-betaal-80-belasting/

"Nation wide the white unemployment rate is 4%".

According to which definition - the extended or the narrow one?

What would it have been like would not one million whites in their productive age have emigrated since 1994 (Source: SAIRR).

It is strange that this percentage has remained constant for a very long time. Though Apartheid and sanctions, through BEE and even now during the global economic crisis it has remained an unwavering 5%, if my memory serves me right. I am just asking, perhaps there is a good reason for this.

Dachshund said...

Was that just an expression of your then anger and frustration with Ian , Uhuru Guru and the radical far-right or was that more your general sentiments towards Afrikaners/Boers? If it's the latter, what changed your sentiments?
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It was the former. I don't know who Ian is, that's presumably the real name of someone who annoyed me.

If you carry on hammering away about why I should not be annoyed by the behaviour of someone like Uhuru Guru, then I am not going to take the bait of extrapolating my dislike onto Afrikaners/Boers in future, but I will then dislike you almost as much as I dislike Uhuru Guru, not for being a Boertjie, but for being an arsehole. I say 'almost' because it is not possible for me to loathe anyone as much as I detest Uhuru Guru. I don't have access to unlimited hate.

Dachshund said...

Boertjie, sorry, I was a bit sharp there, appreciation and hot chocolate is appreciated.

It's just that when anyone starts off about Uhuru Guru, I'm like that salesman in the Monty Python sketch who puts a bucket over his head whenever anyone mentions the word "mattress".

Dachshund said...

You never would know if you are busy interacting with a senior manager in the financial services industry, so leave out that insolent remark. It does not contribute toward this debate.
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Pincer, are you on a fishing expedition to find out my employment status so that you can do a bit of "regstellende aksie" of your own about it? Good luck with that.

Dachshund said...

I intensely resent being bullied into paying for a prepaid meter by a municipality that cannot even produce a set of unqualified financial statements. These people presume to tell me that I must pay a deposit of R2,600 when I move house, and in addition I must install a prepaid meter for R1,055 - what do they need a deposit of R2,600 for when my risk of defaulting is zero! - and then they have the gall to charge me more for prepaid electricity than contract electricity because, they tell me, the poor only buy up to R10 at a time, so prepaid must be more expensive. But wait a minute, I buy electricity for R3,000 at a time, but I must be on prepaid? Why must I subsidise the poor, I'm already doing it in taxes, why doesn't the poor black man put a condom on his cock? Oh but wait a minute, the poor black woman would like a child grant. And you can't buy electricity by EFT, no way, you have to go stand in the queue. No sirree, they want to make it awkward for you. Go mix with the poor masses, realise how lucky you are. Last time I went to buy, there was a black guy next to me shouting the odds that the rich must pay for the poor. Boo hoo hoo, he went, poor little me. This after I was telling him that I intended installing a coal heater in my house. I told him blacks should install coal stoves in the townships too. Yeah, every shack should have a coal stove connected to the chimney. Hey, you've got a chimney haven't you? Well then, connect a coal stove to the chimney, because Eskom sure as hell isn't going to come and connect it for you. And if you can't get it right, you can always put a condom on your cock. I sooo enjoy taking the piss out of self righteous blacks.

Boertjie said...

Hi Dachshund

Be sure that I don't blame you (or Rooster) in anyway for hating the extreme right the way you do after what I read about SAS. No-one in their right mind can blame you. I've seen only one or two comments by UG and thats one guy I don't have hesitation to say about : What a psycho! And I'm pretty sure the cyberterrorism you talked about are from UG. Am I right?

The point I'm trying to be an example of is that not everyone that feels so disgruntled by some things in SA is a right-winger or has an agenda. Emotionally charged is more likely. And if you must know, Exzanian and Islandshark are much too heavy on the f-you's and the rants for my liking. My take on their psychology is coming. And it would be dishonest to say I don't have some things in common with them. Rooster also has at least this in common with them : he doesn't like the ANC.

But something that is so clear is that few people seem to have a leash or some responsibility with their emotions on these blogs. No need to explain how this turns everything into a messy and mostly useless mudslinging from both sides.

Soon after I share my views on the psychology of the right wingers, I'll be leaving this blog because, frankly, all this sarcasm, name-calling, people typing stuff without thinking (at least carefully) about the consequences of their writings is getting emotionally toxic to me. Maybe I'll try to be a positive influence on ILSA, maybe I'll leave these blogs altogether...

The Rooster said...

I for one will be sad to see you go Boertjie. You seem a nice young chap and you've shown your ability and openess to adapt to new information and accept when you were wrong. Very noble and I think you will go far in life.

It's a pity you found this blog past it's prime. When I really cared about it I put out quality articles, was really trying to make a positive difference and contribution etc. Somewhere on the line I just got exposed to too many extremist assholes coming here from and the blog became a bit of a cesspit of mud slinging as you put it.

I have a business and am developing and running 3 websites at this point in time. I am also preparing a big move and dealing with all the usual things adults deal with. I just don't have the time to give this blog as much time as I used to. In fact I appeal to someone to take it over and continue its work.

People can say what you like but this modest blog has had a massive influence in changing the trend of expat south africans spreading lies about the country on the net. I have seen at least 10 of them kicked out the back door in my time and mostly because of my doing. .

The Rooster said...

And as Datch will confirm the extreme right will stop at no lengths to push their ugly hateful agenda. The shit and threats and low life antics I have dealt with through the years I can't even begin to explain.

So while sometimes people might find my language crass etc I hope they udnerstand it is mostly intenmded for the darkest scum I know frequent here who have gone so far as to threaten the lives of the people closest to me. Some of them ....let us say.....quite young.

Boertjie said...

Rooster, I will be looking at your older posts. I know there are some real right-wing scum out there. Have had the pleasure of meeting some of them myself.

As for my "whining" (those who don't know, this is a my own self-description) in general, all I can say is this :

Is the glass half-empty or half-full? It's half full, but too close to empty for comfort.

The Rooster said...

Fuller than it's ever been. That's the reason I don't take the whining seriously.

Dachshund said...

What's wrong with this piece of fiction writing sent to me by Uhuru Guru:

"Sometimes I get this déjà vu feeling – one day in the future I’ll be doing a blog post on you, how we used to fight, then kiss & make up, then fight again, and now you’re gone forever after feeling the life ebb from you while lying in a pool of blood…smelling the fetid, rancid breath of the unwashed savage on top of you, thrusting away inside of you and finally ejaculating his HIV positive seed with a primal grunt, as he reaches for the knife to start a new round of frenzied stabbing…you turn your head, powerless to resist and catch a glimpse of your husband’s lifeless body lying in the spreading pool of crimson…finally it all fades to a merciful black…"
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It doesn't work for me, pure voyeurism. Way too many adjectives and adverbs. Strong nouns and verbs create far more suspense.

Note the use of interior emotion and monologue in the following example:

She broke loose from her attacker’s grip and ran up the stairs, the blood from the gash on her forehead running into her eyes. He lunged out behind her, flailing at the air behind her right foot as she leapt up the steps. Missed! She was onto the landing, get to the main bedroom with the self locking security gate oh god oh god keep going.

The Rooster said...

Have you seen what an old, bloated, short, fat, pathetic, weedy, sack of ugly shit Bert is ? Why even bother with him anymore ?

The Rooster said...

He's a creepy fuck head. I pity anyone who holds such a man as someone to emulate.

Sorry Bert, but you did post "my" picture on your old site. I had a mild respect for you and I believe it was mutal for a while and refrained from ever attacking your personally. We shared civilised emails and exchanges for a bit. And then as I said..you posted what you thought to be my personal information all over the net. Part of it being real and causing me a world of issues. I bet you're wanking at that thought. So dude, get fucked.

Dachshund said...

The sack of garbage still phones me on my cellphone in the wee hours of the morning, also on my landline, screaming, "You cunt! You cunt!"

The Rooster said...

I don't know why you just don't get him locked up. Very easy.

Dachshund said...

I'm working on it. Tricky from this side when he's in the UK, but I will get there.

Dachshund said...

I believe he sits up all night with a bottle of Jack Daniels fixing computers while he's simultaneously getting up to this stuff. That's probably also why he's reputed to be a very thorough IT technician. He does the most time consuming work and switches over to porn sites and sending of sms'es and making covert phone calls during tedious downloads. He then passes out and sleeps till midday. He disappears from sight for weeks at a time, and then he says he was suffering from depression. Probably depression combined with a prolonged bender.

pincer said...

Who it might concern:

Income statistics and AIDS and others:

http://www.unisa.ac.za/contents/faculties/ems/docs/SA%20Journal%20of%20Demography_Vol%2012_1_January%202011_A5_.pdf

pincer said...

Bureau of Economic Research - Stellenbosch University:

Paper on dramatic economic growth past 1994, compared to earlier periods. But it leaves out many questions what exactly the growth drivers are:

http://www.ber.ac.za/downloads/2006/working_papers/WP-01-2006.pdf

Questions:

1. Low productivity and high growth?

http://www.vestact.com/images/zaproductivity.gif

2. Influence of high mineral demands of China a major driver of our economy?

3. Problems with education pass rates and high income:

http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mw/view/mw/en/page292678?oid=192199&sn=2009+Detail&pid=292673

4. Government spending still the only driver of the economy:

http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mw/view/mw/en/page295023?oid=545707&sn=2009+Detail&pid=287226

5. SA's ever growing public service wage bill (BEE in civil service - is that driving the economy?):

http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mw/view/mw/en/page292674?oid=547830&sn=2009+Detail&pid=287226

More graphs on the S.A. economy:

http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mw/view/mw/en/page292681?oid=526184&sn=2009+Detail&pid=287226

It is a very complicated topic.

pincer said...

Baffling inconsistencies:

Research paper.

"Abstract. This paper examines changes in individual real incomes in South Africa between 1995
and 2000. We document substantial declines—on the order of 40%—in real incomes for both men
and women".

http://fordschool.umich.edu/rsie/workingpapers/Papers526-550/r536.pdf

I have an old 'Die Rapport' article (around 2002), quoting the Bureau of Market Research (UNISA), Prof. Helgard van Wyk:

PDI (Personal disposable income):

Year 2000. Whites: 50.5%, Blacks 35.6%
205. W=47.7%, B=38.1%

Most important reasons: More blacks join the labor market and due to several tax concessions the lower income group pays no tax.

PDI 1960:
Whites: 94.2% Income tax diluted this to 79.9% in 2000.
Blacks: 1960=98.3%, tax dilution 2000=92%
Coloreds: 98.6%, tax dilution 2000=91.6%
Asians: 96.7%, tax dilution 2000=87.5%

Google 'prof helgard van wyk BMR' for more interesting time series statistics, for example

http://www.unisa.ac.za/contents/faculties/ems/docs/Press333.pdf

Who can tie everything up?

pincer said...

Errata:

"Year 2000. Whites: 50.5%, Blacks 35.6% 205. W=47.7%, B=38.1%".

"205" should be the year 2005.