Saturday, 16 July 2011

The case for South Africa...A finger to the extreme right.

From here.

Recent months have seen an increasing number of people question the political and economic trajectory of our country. Once silent parties, such as organized business and the black middle classes, have come to display a new openness in echoing concerns that were previously the preserve of a handful of ‘conservative’ opinion makers in the country. Even the media, which had long been the Government’s handmaiden on introducing ever more interventionist policy and regulation into almost every facet of our country, has become a great deal more critical. In the international community once liberal opinion has turned against the ruling African National Congress. It is now common to hear senior diplomats and executives of multinational firms express grave concerns about our future. Today the ANCs own allies talk about having to save the country from a ‘crisis’. However a case can still be made, and now more than ever needs to be made, that despite our many challenges the future of our country is not as bleak as many are making it out to be.

Where the new widespread openness about policy failures serves to safeguard South Africa as a free and open society it is to be welcomed. However, there exists a danger that a collective sense of negativity about South Africa may come to exaggerate the actual extent of the risks facing the country.

The challenges are well known. They include an often incompetent and widely corrupt Government and public service. Standards of public schooling for black South Africans are often very bad. Many in the ruling ANC remain tied to outdated ideological notions of transformation and redistribution that prevent South Africa from realizing its full potential as an emerging market. These and many other shortcomings are now widely acknowledged and the Institute has been publicly identifying them since long before it became politically acceptable to do so.

Below follow ten reasons to have confidence in the future of South Africa. These are not the asinine ‘good news’ stories of South Africa ‘baking the world’s biggest chocolate cake’ which have for too long been bandied about as evidence of the success of our post 1994 democracy. Rather the ten points are carefully researched and considered facts on current macro-trends for the country.

1. Positive economic growth

Growth forecasts by the Treasury see South Africa achieving a level of GDP growth of over 4% by 2013-2014. Admittedly this is a rate far lower than that of emerging BRIC nations and far lower than that of sub-Saharan Africa. But it is a rate on a par with that of the past decade. This means at the very least that the country should remain in a position to generate sufficient revenues to fund its own expenditure. This point is backed up by further Treasury projections of the budget deficit leveling out to just over 3% of GDP by 2013-2014. Figures released by the Treasury are usually conservative and it is quite reasonable to have confidence in these projections. Living standards and income levels must therefore be expected to continue improving in the country - in stark contrast to widespread negative sentiment.


2. Rising fixed investment

Gross capital formation, or fixed investment, as a proportion of GDP sits at 23% in South Africa. This is still too low but is an increase from the figure of 15% at the time that the ANC took office. The current figure is higher than that of Brazil and is only three percentage points lower than that of Russia. It is a figure that is expected to increase by 6% by 2013-2014 and to maintain that level of increase for the medium term. Much of this investment is being carried out by private sector firms who contribute some 70% of investment into South Africa. Such figures demonstrate that there remain real investment opportunities in South Africa for foreign and domestic private sector entrepreneurs.

3. Growing portfolio investment

Non-fixed or portfolio flows into South Africa have increased significantly in recent years as foreign investors have come to take advantage of the interest rate differential between South Africa and mainly Europe, Japan, and the United States. This is admittedly short term investment that can be removed at the click of a mouse but is does assist the country in financing its current account deficit and is also indicative of a measure of at least short term investor confidence in South African assets.

4. A favorable macro-economic environment

Perhaps the greatest success of the ANC in Government has been its management of the macro-economy. The prime overdraft rate fell from close on 20% after the ANC took office in the mid 1990s to under 10% today. This is a truly phenomenal achievement which has greatly boosted the capacity of the private sector in the country to grow and to contribute new value and investment. Here the ANC deserves much credit from South Africa’s business community who have benefited from better economic circumstances under the ANC than they saw at any point over the last 50 years.

5. Improved living conditions

Almost every measure of service delivery demonstrates significant increases in the proportion of households accessing various types of services. This is an important point to make in a country which has convinced itself that service delivery has failed. It has not. The proportion of households living in a formal house has increased by 73%, or by 4.2 million households, since 1996. Increases of a similar scale are true for access to electricity, clean water, sewerage systems, and communications infrastructure. That so called ‘service delivery’ protests occur is in our view a function of failures in the labour market more than anything else. This is a problem that can only be solved via labour market policy changes. It does not change the fact that in terms of transfers from wealthier to poorer South Africans a considerable amount has been achieved to improve the living conditions of poor people.

6. Improved living standards

Today roughly five million income tax payers contribute to a system that supplies monthly cash welfare grants to 14 million poor people. It is impressive that an economy as small as that of South Africa can generate the domestic revenue to support such a programme. If the Treasury’s growth forecasts are correct then this programme remains perfectly sustainable for the foreseeable future. This Institute has long argued that welfare is not a sustainable path out of poverty. However it is only fair to concede that these welfare efforts have done much to raise the admittedly meager standards of living of poor people. The extent of these grants also challenge the assumption that the middle classes, and especially white middle classes, are callous and indifferent to the suffering of their fellow South Africans. Today every (mainly white) income tax payer foots the bill for the living expenses of three poor (mainly black) households and will continue to do so for years to come. Further the welfare and service delivery data above proves that it is simply not true to suggest, as many social movements in poor communities do, that living standards in South Africa have not changed for the better since 1994.

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7. Access to higher education

That South Africa’s school system underperforms is taken as read. However, at tertiary education level much has been achieved over the past 20 years. In 1991 white South Africans earned 20 business degrees for every one earned by a black African South African. Today that ratio is 1 to 1. In engineering the ratio was 44 to 1. Today it too has improved to 1 to 1. Similar improvements are true for all university qualifications pointing to the massive potential that is being created in South Africa’s eerging black middle class.

8. Declining murder rate

South Africa’s murder rate is currently seven times higher than that of the United States. However statistics released by the police indicate that this rate has in fact come down by 50% since 1994. Admittedly questions have been raised about the accuracy of the police’s data. But until evidence to the contrary is produced it remains fair to consider that some real progress may have been made since 1994 in curbing the horrific levels of violence that characterized the country in the run-up to its 1994 transition.

9. Increasing incomes

In current prices, average annual per capita incomes in South Africa, have increased by 201% since 1996. Incomes for black Africans increased by 235%. White South Africans will be interested to note that despite reservations about equity legislation and empowerment provisions their incomes increased by 217% over the same period. South Africans today are wealthier than they have ever been and on current trends will continue to see their incomes increase.

10. Politics that make us a free society

More than ten diverse political parties are represented in South Africa’s Parliament. The ruling ANC regularly comes in for much public criticism in South Africa. Both points demonstrate that politically much of our society remains free and open and that the future of the country still rests in the choices made by its voters. True dictatorial regimes such as those in Zimbabwe or Myanmar would simply not tolerate the criticism that the ANC puts up with. Consider too that in the face of sustained public pressure the ANC appears to be trying to extricate itself from the media tribunal mess by now suggesting that greater self regulation of the media may be satisfactory. On the nationalization of mines an influential core of the party have publicly criticized the policy on the grounds that it is not in the best long term interests of South Africa. On both land reform and empowerment the ANC has repeatedly delayed the enforcement of a number of its own targets in the face of evidence that the targets could not be met. This is very pragmatic behavior for a party that is under immense popular pressure to meet the significant expectations of its supporters. That the party has not been swayed to make short term populist policy decisions is a reason to have some future confidence in its current senior leadership.

This article acknowledges the imposing nature of the challenges that confront the country – and the limited capacity of the Government to meet those challenges. Its argument is therefore not to understate the scale of these problems but rather to make the point that despite them we have managed to remain a resilient and growing economy. It is important too that constructive criticism of Government failures continues to be leveled at the Government. However those who form opinions on the country may get it wrong when they take our many challenges to mean that the future of the country is now in such peril as to amount to a clear and imminent crisis. It is in fact remarkable that despite its many challenges the country it is still able to offer up the ten points upon which this article has argued its case for South Africa. In addition courage within the Cabinet to lead policy shifts on both labour market regulation and skills may yet place us in a position to assume our true potential as one of the world’s leading developing economies.

30 comments:

Anonymous said...

For maximum effect, you should make the text CAPS - the red and black contrast makes it an overwhemling read...something really compelling which creates an urge to lap it up...look, are you packing up shop or not? That's all we want to know, stop with this idiotic parade...look at your hit counter, one an hour if you are lucky...YOU gave the message and we are happy with it, really....Good- fucking-bye

The Rooster said...

Yeah I'm off. I can't seem to go to a social setting without someone of the local whites sprouting off the biggest load of bollocks anymore. It's no secret a certain majority of the whites are an inbred uneducated lot.

Anyone with a skeptical mind would go insane here dealing with such morons all the time and the media they so rely on.

I'd rather go to a country where people are interested in it's actual success and trying to work together. I'm sure I will come back if I get the opportunity and if the place grows the hell up.

What a red neck hell you have become South Africa.

The Rooster said...

One an hour ? What the fuck are you on about ?

That's some Iluvsa type of stats for you. All bullshit and made up.

Dachshund said...

That article was written by Frans Cronje of the SAIRR. But I suppose we should be careful not to name him in case some redneck piece of shit decides to go and beat the guy up.

Dachshund said...

Stanlib Property Income Fund,94.7% return over 3 years. That particular fund is closed to new investments, but you can still invest in Old Mutual SA Quoted Property Fund with 86.11% return.

Dachshund said...

Quite a few expats from the UK, Tasmania, America, Vienna following this blog. Reactionary poepholle from Pretoria too.

The Rooster said...

Quite a few expats from the UK, Tasmania, America, Vienna following this blog. Reactionary poepholle from Pretoria too.

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Well of course they do since I kicked the opposition off the net. Despite perceptions the extreme right wingers in S.A on the net are a club of around 200 people. They just make a lot of noise and spend a crazy amount of their bored sad lives on the net trying to convince themselves they did the right thing to leave S.A and validate their current state of misery abroad.

The Rooster said...

I mean look at Iluvsa....do you even get thye slightest sense these people even live in S.A ?

I won't even ask if they "love S.A" because it's incredibly evident they don't. They love apartheid oppressive monstrously evil S.A. And somehow they expect you to have sympathy for them ?

What cunts !

Please comment as to whether you want me to get them banned by the way. not to hinder their free speech or anything so noble. Just because it will be funny.

Dachshund said...

How would you get ILuvSA banned? They are not trying to give out people's home addresses or threatening to beat anyone up, nor are they impersonating anyone. They mostly go on about how they want a Boer republic with "regte Boere" as a distinct nationality, not coloured Cape Afrikaners or Afrikaners of the FW de Klerk variety.

Dachshund said...

I see that the VVK crowd are rallying behind Abel Malan vs Prof Anton van Niekerk, claiming that the prof set a security trap. Now I don't care for van Niekerk myself as I don't have a high regard for professors of philosophy in general. Philosophy is a typical first year "filler"; you can't make a living from philosophy and it's not as if you can't pick up a couple of books on the subject and educate yourself in that area, if you feel so inclined. But this saga is becoming surreal. It reminds me of that scene in cult movie Fight Club, where Edward Norton traps his boss into a meeting and beats himself up in front of him, screaming, "Stop! Please, please stop beating me!" (fist into own face) "Aargh! Aargh!" (throws himself into glass shelf unit) "Please, I'm begging you ..." (throws himself onto his knees in front of boss) ".. stop hitting me!" And then he blackmails the company into paying him his regular salary, plus a couple of perks, to just disappear.

So, did Professor van Niekerk beat himself up? Did he break his glasses and punch himself in the face to make the VVK guys look like thugs?

Dachshund said...

However I agree with your opinion of ILuvSA. I used to blog there, but got tired of the negativity. There was another female blogger there - she's left now - who went on and on about being an incest victim as a very small child, and how she considered South Africa's situation to be comparable to her own horrific childhood experience. While I have great sympathy for anyone who gets raped, and by her father, and as an infant, nogal, I don't think that most blacks see themselves as being child raped after apartheid was abolished.

And then you get someone like Exzanian who goes into a hissy fit if you don't agree with him 100%. He says he would really like to have a beer with Justice Malala. That's so typical of Exzanian, just because he occasionally sees things the same way. And if Malala didn't agree with him 100% about the benefits of apartheid for blacks? Would he unfriend him on Facebook? You bet he would!

Islandvark is downright childish and vindictive. The only one I quite like there is Viking.

Boertjie said...

Hi Rooster

I've seen you refer to the 100-200% avarage income-increase before. Can you please provide some detail? I'm really interested in this...

The Rooster said...

Hey buddy. These stats are very valid. To give you an example if you know someone who owns a supermarket ask them about this.

People from the various institutions come around and enter the prices they charge into machines around once a month. This data is used to come up with inflation figures etc. At the same time records are get of wages increased across the board. By matching up and comparing this data set it is quite easily to determine the relative wealth of the country. And yes, as a whole we're more than twice as wealthy. I have seen this firure announce many times over the year from so many non government related people. From newspapers to magazine etc. It's really not controversial to make this statement to anyone but the far right extremists with their ostrich tendancies.

The Rooster said...

Islandshark is a total tool and absolutelyu unhealthily obsessed with the apparent difference between boer and afrikaners. He fails at sanity that one.

Boertjie said...

Thanks Rooster, but what I meant was perhaps link me to something more detailed?

I think I'll go and ask some suptermarket-owners about this.

Jim Beam said...

Rooster,

You are actually wrong about a few things so let me point you in the right direction:

1. Positive Economic Growth

The South African economy has only grown by about 1% each year for the past 15+ years. Most years it was between 0.2% and 0.7% per year adjusted for inflation. You cant have 25% unemployment if the stats were correct.

2. Yes there is rising fixed investment as people are not investing in capital goods but rather keeping their money in cash and shares. Those don't really create wealth. The year to year increase in capital equipment has only been increasing by about 1% in the private sector with government kicking in 5%.

3. Portfolio growth is only as is, because government has not borrowed much but that will end as taxes take a kicking and government is forced to borrow. Those flows will flow out of the country again. See point 2 above as to keep your investments in cash and shares.

4. Macro economics - well interest rates would come down as there was not longer any sanctions so there was better money flow. Interest was high under apartheid as the government could not raise enough cash and had to keep inflation under control.

5. Improved living conditions is only there as long as government has money to give free housing, electric, water etc. What happens when the tax revenues come down and government has to borrow to meet the demand for more free goodies?

6. Yes 5 million taxpayers pay for 14 million welfare heads. That is not sustainable. As the economy turns South more people will be looking for the free goodies and this will only make the load heavier. Living conditions for the poor has improved but at the cost of the broader South African economy.The billions spent on welfare for South Africa's millions of illegitimate children could have been better spent on education.

7. Higher education is as poor as basic education. 60% of children drop out of school. University entrance levels have been lowered. Let face it - a degree today does not mean much by way of employment when the standards are being lowered to make everything look good.

8. Decline of crime we all know is a lie as there have been too many cover-ups over the past 2 years alone of crime stats massaging. South Africa is a violent society and that will not change overnight considering that most murders are people who know each other. It says alot about South Africans mindset.

9. Increased incomes are pointless talking about when you dont take inflation into account as I had highlighted above. Does a bread still cost R3 like it did in 1994 - so why would your salary still be the same?

10. Politics does not make us a free society when minorities have no say in the government. You can have 100 political parties but when they only account for 10% of the population then it means nothing. Its almost like the old tri-cameral system under apartheid. Its pointless.

The Rooster said...

Jim Beam you lost me when you lied in your first sentence about an apparent 1% economic growth.

Jim Beam said...

@Rooster

January 24 2011

South Africa’s per capita gross domestic product (GDP) grew at an annual average rate of less than one percent between 1970 and 2008, the SA Institute of Race Relations said on Monday.

Compared to a number of countries around the world, South Africa’s growth rate over the period was a low 0.6 percent a year, according to the institute's South Africa Survey 2009/10.

Over the same period China managed 7.9 percent a year, Botswana 5.9, Indonesia 4.3, India 3.6 and Ireland 3.5.

The United Kingdom and United States achieved 1.9 percent each per year over the period.

http://www.iol.co.za/business/business-news/per-capita-gdp-growth-less-than-1-1.1016303

The Government says:

1. They will create 5 million jobs in 10 years; (Zuma + Pravin)

2. There will be economic growth of 3-4% by 2014; (Zuma + Pravin)


All of this as we come out of the resource cycle. RIGHT - I lied...........

The Rooster said...

Jim who are you trying to bullshit ? The period from 2002 onwards was the biggest boom in South Africa's history. It lasted until the recession seeing economic growth of close to 5% each year. Don't be a twat and use a recession year and hint towards a trend.

Jim Beam said...

Year - Population -- GDP(B$) -- Infl -- GDP/Cap


1994 - 38,280,000 -- 135.77 -- 9.2% -- USD 3,526

1995 - 39,120,000 -- 151.11 -- 8.6% -- USD 3,862

1996 - 40,000,000 -- 143.72 -- 7.3% -- USD 3,593

1997 - 40,926,000 -- 148.81 -- 8.6% -- USD 3,616

1998 - 41,900,000 -- 134.29 -- 6.8% -- USD 3,198

1999 - 42,923,000 -- 133.18 -- 5.1% -- USD 3,100

2000 - 44,000,000 -- 132.87 -- 5.4% -- USD 3,019

2001 - 44,190,000 -- 118.47 -- 5.8% -- USD 2,680

2002 - 45,530,000 -- 111.10 -- 9.1% -- USD 2,440

2003 - 46,116,000 -- 168.22 -- 5.8% -- USD 3,647

2004 - 46,665,000 -- 219.09 -- 1.4% -- USD 4,694

2005 - 47,198,000 -- 247.06 -- 3.4% -- USD 5,234

2006 - 47,731,000 -- 261.00 -- 4.6% -- USD 5,468

2007 - 48,257,000 -- 286.30 -- 7.2% -- USD 5,926

2008 - 48,793,000 -- 276.45 -- 11.5% -- USD 5,665

2009 - 49,320,000 -- 285.37 -- 7.1% -- USD 5,786


http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met_y=sp_pop_totl&idim=country:ZAF&dl=en&hl=en&q=south+africa+population
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_cd&idim=country:ZAF&dl=en&hl=en&q=south+africa+gdp


http://www.statssa.gov.za/news_archive/press_statements/PressStatement_QLFS_4th_quarter2010.pdf

Jim Beam said...

Rooster I can’t argue with someone who has no real opinion other than repeating someone else’s opinion as their own without any real thought. Let’s approach this logically then you give me your opinion on the matter. The unemployment stats for South Africa as listed on StatsSA need to be looked at. Firstly 'discouraged work seekers' or the chronically unemployed are now classified by the government in the same category as housewives. See the link above.

The offical stats including 'discouraged work seekers' leaves South Africa at an OFFICIAL unemployment rate of 36.4% (Check the stats yourself)

Now, you claim that since the ANC has taken over there has been year of year economic growth. Claiming that the 4-5% growth rates are real. Considering that South Africa only has a population growth rate of about 1.5% a year, how is it possible that after 16 years in power and with these growth rates of 4-5% a year as claimed, 36% of the population is still unemployed? Does that make logical sense to you because it makes no sense to me unless I became a magician?

The reason why I said that the South African economy has only at best (adjusting GDP for inflation) grown by 1% per year at its peak was because I deducted the inflation using 1995 as the benchmark.

When I looked at those figures it made sense as it explained the high unemployment rate. The economy is actually slowly shrinking. Normally GDP is adjusted for inflation however the South African GDP makes no sense in relation to the high unemployment. No,its not mineral exports at that only accounts for 5% of the South African GDP.

The stats on the table listed above was retrieved from Google who retrieves it from the World Bank so I am going to assume they are good to go and have listed them on top as well. The GDP per capita is obtained by dividing the GDP into the population total. So, if the GDP has been adjusted for inflation then salaries have grown by 60% since 1994 - then why are 36% of South Africans unemployed and saving rates so low - where is the money? If it is not being saved then it must have been spent. Then again where are the jobs if people are spending? Maybe they are not spending as listed in the post above the private sector is only spending 1% on capital equipment.

Could I therefore come to the conclusion that the growth figures are not being adjusted for inflation and that since the Nats left government the South African economy has been slowly shrinking? Now Rooster give me YOUR opinion on the matter instead of calling me a twat. As we all know, twats dont think, twats cant lick themselves, they just get fu*ked. Are you being fu*cked by the ANC?

BTW: If there is a real economist somewhere reading this blog, I would really appreciate an answer or a possible explanation as we learn each day to think for ourselves. Let’s make today such a day.

The Rooster said...

Jim once again, who do you think you are kidding ? The economy has been shrinking in South Africa ? Go say to an economist and watch them mock you.

Not every fucking thing is a conspiracy theory You utter pillock !

It is fair to say without absolutely any doubt or controversy that the South African economy has never grown more or for longer in a single period that the post 2000's. At the same time the population growth remained very low. The result is the little economic miracle called post apartheid South Africa.

The Rooster said...

And don't also let this "high unemployment" rate rubbish fool you. It's a simple trick of semantics. They have taken those who gave up susbistance farming as their "employment" and suddenly lumped them in with the definition "unemployed". It's an incredibly tacky and cheap trick. And it is actually a testament to a growing economy that so many people suddenly realised there are more opportunities in life that growing mielies and pursued them. Let's be fucking very clear about that.

The Rooster said...

And regarding these growth rates. The average chinese person remains MUCH poorer than the average South African. It's easy to grow off a low base. S.A has grown on average around 5% for a decade. And this is off a high base.

Jim Beam said...

"it is actually a testament to a growing economy that so many people suddenly realised there are more opportunities in life that growing mielies "

YOUR logical reasoning is that people are unemployed because life is so good it is better to be without an income? What type of reasoning is that?

YOU claim that I am a conspiracy theorist yet you state that StatsSA is running a campaign of "tacky and cheap tricks" to inflate the unemployment figures with semantics? 36% unemployment OFFICIALLY with 5% growth rates. Its totally illogical!

One last thing, in the second post it states :

South Africa’s per capita gross domestic product (GDP) grew at an annual average rate of less than one percent between 1970 and 2008, the SA Institute of Race Relations said on Monday. South Africa's growth rate over the period was low, at 0.6%. By contrast, the average annual growth rate in GDP per capita between 1970 and 2008 was 5.9% for Botswana, 7.9% for China, 3.6% for India, and 4.3% for Indonesia.

SAIRR states what Rooster - 0.6%?

SAIRR states BETWEEN 1970 and 2008?

Bigger growing population (see table above) with rising unemployment is a shrinking economy at best stagnant.

Oh, I like your last post about the Chinese, Rooster. If South Africa is coming off from a high, do we therefore assume that the high was created during the apartheid years when billions got poured into infrastructure? We might not like apartheid but at least you appear to concede that the Afrikaners knew how to run an economy.

Enjoy China Rooster, you might find the solutions there for South Africa.

Cheers

The Rooster said...

Man fuck off and get a clue. Stop murking the water with overtly large sample groups. Go and look at any data set produced by any orginisation for South Africa;s GDP growth post 2000. Any single fucking one will confirm what a load of dishonest bullshit you are trying to smear over here. Some of us adults have work to go to but rest assured when I get a few spares minutes I am going to ridicule the implied in your assertions to the point if you have any self dignity you will fuck off good and proper with your attempt to manipulate with such absurdity in tow.

Did South Average a growth rate of 0.6 % if wer go back to 1970 ? Could be true. Apartheid South Africa was an economic autrocity. Massive militiary spending, sanctions, massive government corrupt that makes the A.N.C look like choir boys. Massive stats socialistic policies of falsely propping up the Afrikaners through government jobs and cointrolling the minds of the poppulace. What a fuck up that was. And please tell me when I have ever burned a candle for that load of shit ?

All I am informing you as a matter of fact is that post 2000 South Africa enjoyed it's greatest and longest economic boom. Growing at a rate close to 5% right up to the WORLD WIDe recession. And we are now growing again at close to 4%.

And don't pretend you're that dumb that you didn't get what I was alluding to in my unemployment is a semantics issue. Don't argue from ignorance. Dudring Apartheid what % of the populace was enumployed ? You really want to look me in the eye and say less than 36% ?

Have you ever been to the Tranksei or Ciskei during Apartheid ?

Closer to 70% I would suggest of the populace was by the same definition unempoloyed.

The Rooster said...

So sick and tired of you extreme right twats grinding the same shit arguments at me over and over. Please try freshen it up. It's fucking boring now.

Really I'm less than impressed with absolutely everything you throw at me these days. 3 or 4 years ago it at least seemed like you guys at least had a fighting chance. These days it feels like I'm a rottweiler coming up against kittens.

The Rooster said...

We might not like apartheid but at least you appear to concede that the Afrikaners knew how to run an economy.



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Oh that's brilliant. I need to post that up for future generations of a horrible warning not to be stupid twats.

Afrikaners knew how yo run a country ? If by "run a country" you mean "fuck it up almost entirely through being verkrampte , violence crazed, stone aged religious fanatics with a boner for sokkie music and brandy" then you're spot on my friend.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps this will clear a few things up.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/south-africa/gdp-growth

You can adjust the year filter to 1994 to 2011.

Dachshund said...

I hope you reckless bastards at I Luv SA are proud of yourselves.
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Oslo killer copied from SA blog

Johannesburg - Norwegian mass-murderer Anders Behring Breivik is reported to have copied several ideas from a right-wing South African website when he compiled his 1 518-page “manifesto”.

Breivik borrowed liberally from several sources in writing his rambling ideas to defend Western civilisation.

One of his themes is the struggle against multi-culturalism, and he used several articles on the topic from the blog iluvsa.blogspot.org, which has a banner proclaiming: “I luv South Africa... but I hate my government”.

Breivik quotes the blog about “the modern South Africa, ‘The Rainbow Nation’, where under black rule the Marxist ANC are viciously persecuting whites ... and where poignantly, let’s not forget, many black people are now suffering far more than they ever did under apartheid”.
- Beeld

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Oslo-killer-copied-from-SA-blog-20110726