Tuesday, 26 July 2011

Take a bow Exzanian and Islandshark...

From http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Oslo-killer-copied-from-SA-blog-20110726

Johannesburg - Norwegian mass-murderer Anders Behring Breivik is reported to have copied several ideas from a right-wing South African website when he compiled his 1 518-page “manifesto”.


Breivik borrowed liberally from several sources in writing his rambling ideas to defend Western civilisation.

One of his themes is the struggle against multi-culturalism, and he used several articles on the topic from the blog iluvsa.blogspot.org, which has a banner proclaiming: “I luv South Africa... but I hate my government”. (You assholes must be so proud.)

Breivik quotes the blog about “the modern South Africa, ‘The Rainbow Nation’, where under black rule the Marxist ANC are viciously persecuting whites (Rooster edit : oh fucking please ! You mean the same whites who remain by far the wealthiest group and largest land owners, least affected by crime ? What crap !)  ... and where poignantly, let’s not forget, many black people are now suffering far more than they ever did under apartheid”. (Again utter nonsense. Go tell that to those living in the over 3 million new homes, 80% of the country who now has electricity compared to 30% during Apartheid etc etc ...and to think people died for this fucking wolf crying !)


- Beeld

40 comments:

The Rooster said...

Some comments on news24 that were notheworthy.
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I am sorry but I dont fall for this whole "things were better for blacks under the apartheid system" crap. As a person of colour me and many of my family and friends are certainly better off today. Whites have no clue what apartheid was like for us. It is a damn insult to our intellegence to even try to glorify apartheid and to use the excuse that many blacks say so is utter rubbish. I am sick and tired of hearing white people using that line to justify apartheid. How dare you?

The Rooster said...

czovczov - July 26, 2011 at 11:57 Report comment Ever noticed that the most racists of white people are usually some miserable inbred bums and losers who, even with the benefit of their white skin, have failed miserably to get anywhere in life. So to divert attention from their own inadequacies and make themselves feel relevant and important, they resort to racially abuse black people. It makes them foam at the mouth with anger to see a more successful black person so they go on a relentless racial campaign to bring him down below their level. And the most surprising of all is the fact that they live here in Africa where blacks are the majority when they have the choice to go back to Europe where they can live life under white governments and surrounded by their fellow white people. If you don’t like how we do things here in Africa, stop blogging and morning about it, just get the hell off our continent. Nobody invited you over here.

The Rooster said...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/60744006/2083-a-European-Declaration-of-Independence

do a word search of the alledged manifesto

south africa is mentioned over times

There is a chapter : Solution For South Africa

Nelson Mandela is mentioned aprox 8 times

He even have honours on killing the South African, Australian, New Zealand and Canadian Presidents

The Rooster said...

To say that blacks are suffering more now is an absolute myth!! Go ask any black person over the age of 45 if SA is worse now than in the 1980's or before and you will only get one answer!! NO!! ... and most white folk will also say NO! This romantic view of the past by the political right is so pathetic. We have many problems in SA today but there were a whole lot more back in the old SA!!

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Dachshund said...

Oh and now they are so quiet ... now they have nothing to say. Now why would that be?

That wouldn't have been the only right wing blog Breivik was influenced by. I bet SA Sucks, Mike Smith, Tia Mysoa, Lara Johnstone and Ilana Mercer also had a role to play. For sure, the guy is totally off his rocker, but not only is hate speech poisonous, it backfires on the people who start it.

pincer said...

The Rooster.

What are you trying to prove?

Get up and grow a backbone man, and stop being so childish. Stop throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

If you have psychological issues with the way the old South Africa turned out, sort them out like in now. As if you have sole proprietorship over what happened. You hopefully are a much better person than that.

As if you are the only one with problems. There are people with many more challenges than you have.

Nothing is a given in life. The difference, above IQ and a high education, is your character and not the size of the dog, but the size of the fight inside the dog.

From someone a bit older and with much more life experience, who has seen and experienced much more than you, and has gone through many more depth in life and came out in one piece.

And no, I am not a Boer nor Afrikaner. Nor born in South Africa. And has experienced South Africa in all its ups and downs right from the 1960's onward.

Now go home and work out yourself what I am trying to convey.

Anonymous said...

"And the most surprising of all is the fact that they live here in Africa where blacks are the majority when they have the choice to go back to Europe where they can live life under white governments and surrounded by their fellow white people. If you don’t like how we do things here in Africa, stop blogging and morning about it, just get the hell off our continent. Nobody invited you over here."

I liked the comment up to this point but then he reveals himself as just as much of a racist. Some black people don't like the way things are being done, should they go back to North Africa? No.. People can complain as much as they want but if they are talking bollocks they should be ridiculed and made to look like the fools they are. That is free speech.
Sure, I wish there were a few less twats around but fuck this shit where white people are thought of as visitors treading on apartheid egg shells because of such a small biologically insignificant detail. When I get home (which is not as often as I like anymore) no cunt can tell me I'm on borrowed time.

The Rooster said...

What is Iluvsa trying to prove ? Ever wondered that ?

They trying to make the absurd claim that South Africa was better off under the system of Apartheid. Yet there is not single area we were not in fact far worse off. Why do they do it ?

You're young pincer. You don't know the type of psyche apartheid propaganda bred. Look up things like "swart gevaar" and "meid naai" the verkramptes were obsessed about. The whole psyche ammongst whites was

The Rooster said...

...continued ....absolutely horrific. The country was one large squatter camp for blacks(just hidden from the rich white suburbs).

Compare that today where whites are still very wealthy and close to 25% of blacks are middle classed. Indians and coloreds have moved up exponentially too in living standards.

They shout about corruption and crime as if they didn't exist when they were far worse. They have their heads so far up their arses it's not even funny.

The old Apartheid was the type of government who told you what to think, what you were allowed to say, watch, talk about, fuck etc and you were jailed if you disagreed (or even worse shot by the B.B).

So these ignorant nasty fucks spread their lies about "blacks messing up the country" etc and some kid reads it and all their race based rhetoric and acts on it and they want to act all innocent in the wake ?

Fuck them. I couldn't live with myself if someone read this site and said it inspired them to kill anyone. Quite the opposite. I have always warned against the obvious logical conclusions these sites promote (a system of fascist like oppression and zero tolerance for the human rights than for that of the group in power.)

Irony they go on about the A.N.C doing this when it's nothing even comparable to what whites did here. It's called "projection" people. Look it up.

Anonymous said...

26 July 2011 8:39 AM
Look behind you sweetie....you've left your shadow behind, there's a broad brush sweeping here now ;)

Anonymous said...

I suppose you also believe that Anders Breivik, is right-wing Christian terrorist, because the msm tells you that. Be wary of what you read Rooster, for that is how we’ve all become sheeple. I do not condone what Breivik did, but have you for once stopped to consider the possibility that he was just a mere pawn on a chessboard, and that there’s far more to this incident than meets the eye.

@ Dachshund

I find your comment most offensive. How dare you link the names of other SA blogs to this terrorist attack! Mike Smith and Tia Mysoa were the first to point out the msm’s blatant inaccuracies in Breivik’s description. Breivik was most certainly not a Christian and neither was he right-winger. He was a lefty! Tia addressed the issue on his Christian site, and not the main blog, so it’s possible that you maybe missed it.

It seems you have a personal issue with I Luv SA. What are your motives then for dragging other unrelated blogs into this debate? What exactly is your agenda here? Do you want all SA blogs to only publish pretty pictures, stupid jokes, and views about rugby, sunny skies, braaivleis and boerewors? How boring!

Wake up and grow up!

Anonymous said...

@Dachshund

You’ve linked the murderous rampage of a lone psychopath to place guilt on conservative SA blogs by association. Then you smugly proclaim, “Oh and now they are so quiet ... now they have nothing to say.”

It seems you, you self-righteous idiot, is the one spreading hatred. At least you have one fact straight: It backfires on the people who start it!

Anonymous said...

Breivick also quoted Churchill and Ghandi, so they should take a bow too

pincer said...

"You're young pincer".

You jump to conclusions.

And make a lot of assumptions.

For instance the economy before and after 1994.

For that matter superficially both you and the commentators are right.

1) There was growth and also a decline
2) What was the nature of the growth and decline
3) Was it due to ANC policies or despite ANC policies.

For that matter you could even argue there was economic growth in the old Soviet Union, and even now in Zimbabwe (look it up, it is true).

"They trying to make the absurd claim that South Africa was better off under the system of Apartheid".

There was no Apartheid. It was something else. You don't believe me? Like you always say - "read it up". Apartheid as envisaged by Verwoerd died off with his assassination. What followed was an endless bumbling by incompetent and characterless politicians, counter-acted by hard-working and mostly political ignorant citizens and a country living of the wealth of the 1960's which was systematically destroyed by these politicians.

Regardless of the warning of many sane observers, both nationally and internationally.

International meddling, both by the East and the West, with their octopus grip on the local and international main stream media, into South Africa's internal affairs, hastened this decline.

To the detriment of the well-being of all the races in this country.

The way you describe events fall into the class of "We bad", "You good", with no shades of grey in between. It is a simplistic outside view as it would have been perceived by an American at the time. But exactly these shades of grey constitute the major part of South Africa's history and must be explained in detail, which you fail to do so, and which will be very difficult to do so within the space of an internet blog. You will have to refer to source material, starting off with book recommendations for the reader so that they can gather a comprehensive background in order to understand the complexities of the past.

Anything else is just waffle and a fidgeting in the dark.

By understanding the shades of grey, you will understand the reasons for many of the decisions taken way back then which you find so obnoxious. They were not just grabbed out of the air by a passing whim, but due to hard and concrete situations of the day.

This indicates either malevolence by intend or an incomplete understanding of this country.

Dachshund said...

"It seems you have a personal issue with I Luv SA. What are your motives then for dragging other unrelated blogs into this debate? What exactly is your agenda here"
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I think you're all a bunch of useless tossers and should go time travelling - get out of current time and place and go back to the nineteen fifties. Take a stash of contraceptive pills to give to your mothers.

The Rooster said...

You jump to conclusions.

And make a lot of assumptions.

For instance the economy before and after 1994.

For that matter superficially both you and the commentators are right.

1) There was growth and also a decline
2) What was the nature of the growth and decline
3) Was it due to ANC policies or despite ANC policies.

For that matter you could even argue there was economic growth in the old Soviet Union, and even now in Zimbabwe (look it up, it is true).

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Apples and apples please. Why compare the richest country in Africa with the poorest one ? You're just being contrarian now.

The Rooster said...

There was no Apartheid. It was something else. You don't believe me? Like you always say - "read it up". Apartheid as envisaged by Verwoerd died off with his assassination. What followed was an endless bumbling by incompetent and characterless politicians, counter-acted by hard-working and mostly political ignorant citizens and a country living of the wealth of the 1960's which was systematically destroyed by these politicians.

Regardless of the warning of many sane observers, both nationally and internationally.

International meddling, both by the East and the West, with their octopus grip on the local and international main stream media, into South Africa's internal affairs, hastened this decline.

To the detriment of the well-being of all the races in this country.

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An Apartheid purest eh ? It was a bad idea but outside forces meddled ? Lol. Reminds me of these student communist purests.

Put it any which way you want it was an epic fuck up.

The Rooster said...

The way you describe events fall into the class of "We bad", "You good", with no shades of grey in between. It is a simplistic outside view as it would have been perceived by an American at the time. But exactly these shades of grey constitute the major part of South Africa's history and must be explained in detail, which you fail to do so, and which will be very difficult to do so within the space of an internet blog.

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Wait ...wait ... I'm the one that does that ? Me ? Not the extreme right winged bloggers with their everything blacks do = bad and whites it has a context spiel?

Dude I look at EVERYTHING in context ! I see the entire picture.

The Rooster said...

By understanding the shades of grey, you will understand the reasons for many of the decisions taken way back then which you find so obnoxious. They were not just grabbed out of the air by a passing whim, but due to hard and concrete situations of the day.

This indicates either malevolence by intend or an incomplete understanding of this country.

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No you won't find the reasons unless you look deeper into the psyche of the puppeteers back then. And don't pantomime how I present white South Africans. I always say they were mostly witless to their crimes and deeply saturated with propaganda. I'm an existentialist and don't have time for silly Cartesian dualistic notions like "good" and "evil". There is but cause and effect.

The Rooster said...

"It seems you have a personal issue with I Luv SA. What are your motives then for dragging other unrelated blogs into this debate? What exactly is your agenda here"
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I think you're all a bunch of useless tossers and should go time travelling - get out of current time and place and go back to the nineteen fifties. Take a stash of contraceptive pills to give to your mothers.

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Snap !

pincer said...

1) "Why compare the richest country in Africa with the poorest one ? You're just being contrarian now".

Why indeed - you miss my point. Think again. Snap.

2) "Wait ...wait ... I'm the one that does that ? Me ? Not the extreme right winged bloggers with their everything blacks do = bad and whites it has a context spiel?"

Hello - I am not mentioning anything about right wing blogger. Comprehendo?

3) "Dude I look at EVERYTHING in context ! I see the entire picture".

Being so confident about that - so where is your list of book recommendations so that we can test this confidence? The meat. Not superficial demagogic waffle, as you mostly have done so far on this blog. Like in duck and dive so as to evade presenting the meat.

Accusations - and where is the substance? Like day and date of incidents. You start with foregone conclusions.

4) "No you won't find the reasons unless you look deeper into the psyche of the puppeteers back then".

There were realities at the time which drove that psyche. As you mentioned - cause and effect.

5) I'm an existentialist and don't have time for silly Cartesian dualistic notions like "good" and "evil". There is but cause and effect.

Black-and-white thinking with no shades of grey. Already by writing "...they were mostly witless to their crimes and deeply saturated with propaganda..." you make a statement of judgement, which is a human characteristic from which you cannot walk away. Thinking on a cause and effect level alone is reserved for robots.

Overall a fail. Sorry.

Anonymous said...

You can stand on your head and whistle Nkosi through your toes but if it was not for a system that developed SA to be the Jewel of Africa, the SWC would have never happened for the first time in Africa and specific in South Africa in 2010. There are more than 50 reasons north of the Limpopo to prove that point. Unfortunately that system was called Apartheid, more accurately Separate Development, a system, warts an all, that realized that cultures are different and there is no such thing as one size fits all. A fact of life that even the EU is realizing lately.

pincer said...

Ok lets make a deal.

Apartheid was bad and and whites are guilty.

Happy now?

The Rooster said...

Being so confident about that - so where is your list of book recommendations so that we can test this confidence? The meat. Not superficial demagogic waffle, as you mostly have done so far on this blog. Like in duck and dive so as to evade presenting the meat.

Accusations - and where is the substance? Like day and date of incidents. You start with foregone conclusions.

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If this blog was a book it would be approaching 500 pages already. I have linked to all my assertions. Again this is not a thesis it is a fucking blog.

The Rooster said...

Black-and-white thinking with no shades of grey. Already by writing "...they were mostly witless to their crimes and deeply saturated with propaganda..." you make a statement of judgement, which is a human characteristic from which you cannot walk away. Thinking on a cause and effect level alone is reserved for robots.

Overall a fail. Sorry.

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Is the thinking of Emmanuel Kant and all the determinist thinking robotic ? Don't be a plonker all your life. I'm not trying to say human beings live in Skinner boxes but they salivate to Pavlovian bells. A process without we simply could not learn, or unlearn any behavior BEYOND our primal instinctual genetically carried over information.

Sadly for many people they never reflect upon cause and effect in the world. THese people often end up the type of people you are trying to describe...Cartesian dualists. The ones who put everything into neat little boxes and exude stereotypical and hyper prejudicial thinking (ie racists, bigots etc... that's not to say such behavior is in all instances is "evil" it's just simplistic...or as we might describe it ...dumb.)

Kid, you haven't begun to see the wood for the trees.

The Rooster said...

You can stand on your head and whistle Nkosi through your toes but if it was not for a system that developed SA to be the Jewel of Africa, the SWC would have never happened for the first time in Africa and specific in South Africa in 2010. There are more than 50 reasons north of the Limpopo to prove that point. Unfortunately that system was called Apartheid, more accurately Separate Development, a system, warts an all, that realized that cultures are different and there is no such thing as one size fits all. A fact of life that even the EU is realizing lately.

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Explain why countries like Botswana, Namibia, Mozambique, SOUTH AFRICA, Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya and Angola etc are all thriving AS A WHOLE far more now AFTER white rule ?

It's so stupidly euro-centric to think a country thriving = how well the tiny white population lived and what pretty things they shouted orders at the locals to build.


Please explain to me. You've been slurping at the teet of the kool-ade machine my brother.

Anyway what great things were build during Apartheid that aren't built now ? Are we not building malls, sky trains, stadiums, roads, high rise buildings, Aquariums, world class hotels and resorts, mining deeper and more sophisticated, building fiber optic cables that travel allong continents, world class cell phone networks, Meerkat, Electrical cars etc etc etc

I argue we are developing at a far superior rate that we ever did under white rule. Not because blacks are better than whites are anything so dramatic. Just because we now have the freedom to trade and interact and move etc. Ask an economist about how this stimulates an economy.


Muppet.

pincer said...

"Muppet".

Hehehe - I couldn't help it.

Raghead!

Cheers.

The Rooster said...

I should correct my last post....what great things that were built during apartheid aren't being built now...

Anonymous said...

"Explain why countries like Botswana, Namibia, Mozambique, SOUTH AFRICA, Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya and Angola etc are all thriving AS A WHOLE far more now AFTER white rule ?"
Telling that you left Zimbabwe out of that list.

However, if your argument that countries developed faster under black rule was valid then all of the countries where Uhuru preceded South Africa should have been far better equipped to host the SWC by 2010, but it was actually the country where black rule happened last that got that honour because they were the best developed infrastructure and had the strongest economy at the time.

Do yourself a favour and look at the Human Development Index before and post 1994. South Africa has lost something like 40 to fifty places (I lost track) in the world rankings since Nelson Mandela took reign. SA used to be the number one country in Africa and compared with other multicultural countries in South America in terms of its HDI. Where is Brazil today compared to South Africa?

Your Gini Index has increased (gap between the rich and the poor).

Your own Tokyo Sexwale stated that there are now more "informal settlements" than there were before 1994.

You recently lost huge international contracts because you don't have the surplus electrical capacity that you used to have because you fell back in the old African way of "there is enough power because when I flip the switch the lights come on" - and had a rude awakening in 2006. You have not started and completed a single new power plant since 1994.

South Africa used to be the biggest economy in Africa, (regardless of having international economic and sanctions against it and having to fight an expensive war) It will soon loose that, if it has not already, to Nigeria and Egypt is close on Nigeria's heals. What a shame!

The Rooster said...

South Africa used to be the biggest economy in Africa, (regardless of having international economic and sanctions against it and having to fight an expensive war) It will soon loose that, if it has not already, to Nigeria and Egypt is close on Nigeria's heals. What a shame!

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Ladies an gentlemen may I present a wonderful example of someone pulling stuff out of their ass.

behold...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29

South Africa GDP (28th biggest in the world)= 357,259 thousand of millions.

Nigeria ?

41st in the world...GDP = 216,803 thousands of millions.

Despite Nigeria having close to 200 million people, huge oil reserves and south Africa around 50 million.

Tell me why I should take you seriously when you have made such a dumb statement ?

The Rooster said...

Egypt at 40 million by the way...one ahead of Nigeria.

The Rooster said...

You recently lost huge international contracts because you don't have the surplus electrical capacity that you used to have because you fell back in the old African way of "there is enough power because when I flip the switch the lights come on" - and had a rude awakening in 2006. You have not started and completed a single new power plant since 1994.


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More uneducated babble lacking context. Let me introduce you to someone you seem to have never met....his name is reality.

South Africa had less than 30% of it's population with electricity 20 years ago. Now 80% have electricity. That is an amazing feat. Did that mean we were going to struggle to keep up with power like all the developing world ? Yes. Have we done nothing about it ? Utter crap. you have some funny idea about Eskom.

Firstly the gross majority of Eskom Management are whites (around 70%). But you lot in your minds have some racist pantomime of blacks sitting around going "eish".

why not just read some facts instead of relying on your prejudices to show you the world ?

http://www.eskom.co.za/c/21/capacity-expansion-status/

I mean any idiot can see that we have built many new power stations since 1994, gas power stations, solar stations, wind power stations, solar heating projects and now new nuclear stations are being built. Eskom spend millions on exploring pebble bed technology etc....only in the mind of the most blinded by absolute confirmation bias idiot can this all be describe as "have done nothing in typical African style"


Honestly the prejudicial way your brain has been trained to think makes you actually just about a fucking ignorant twat in everything you have said here.

The Rooster said...

When will you guys learn....the far right have one trick...

Repeat a lie often enough about South Africa being worse off now than before and hope that you want to believe it enough and you will eventually consider it a indisputable truth. Problem is what they say never fucking hold up to any verification.

But they don't need to worry about that, you lot will never question anything.

"She has a list of 3000 white farm murders" you scream !

I read the list I count less than 1200 names, mostly they are not farmers, many are not white and many are not dead.

"Crime is spiraling out of control" you say ...I look at the data and crime is WAY better now than it's ever been the last 20 years.

"We are zim 2,0 !" you scream. i look at the data and our economy has never been healthier (relative to the world wide recession.)

I mean you're just a bunch of fucking clowns.

Dachshund said...

"It seems you have a personal issue with I Luv SA."
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I think I will answer that more fully, even though it was put to me anonymously. I did blog for a short while on I Luv SA, but I was under the impression that the rationale of the blog was that it was critical of the ANC. It did start out that way, but became progressively more intolerant and negative. It's ok to occasionally make fun of other races, but to bang on and on and on about how hopeless blacks are, and how much better things were under apartheid, well that's bullshit.

I think I Luv SA should be called, I Luvved White SA and I hate any Black government, but that's probably an academic point as they have been closed down.

Before I was kicked off that blog, Islandshark and Ron. had the knives out for me. This was as a result of my (occasionally) making fun of Afrikaners, and also because of a political profile quiz I took part in, and which put me slightly to the left of moderate. The blog leader at the time leaked my result, and the right wing bloggers got even more uptight.

So that was the end of that. I was in the wrong company. Right wingers don't like people who have different political opinions to theirs. They insist that everyone should see their point of view, but it doesn't work the other way around.

And obviously you can expect to have crazy gunmen reinforcing their own extreme ideas by reading that kind of drivel. Birds of a feather.

Anonymous said...

ID and KAS - now there you have some realiable "witnesses".

One is fond of young boys and the other prefers making bogus charges against individuals.

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Anonymous said...

ID, you can fool your little cockerel loving bud, you don't fool anybody else.

Funny actually, that you are the one calling for Afrikaners to be culled and then make false criminal charges against somebody else.

One would think with your profile and history you would have used another name by now.

Dachshund said...

I'd say this plastic surgery story is true. Apart from the impossibly smooth forehead and perfect nose and chin already commented on, the eyes look weird, he has hardly any eyelids. He's had soft tissue removed from his upper eyelids. He blames his mother for feminising him. It appears that his father played very little part in raising him.
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Plastic surgery said to be reason for Breivik’s Aryan perfection

The Star, August 1 2011 at 09:00am

OSLO: The right-wing extremist who massacred 77 people during a twin terror attack in Norway had plastic surgery to make him look more Aryan, an intelligence official said.

Anders Breivik, 32, has the blond hair, blue eyes and strong features stereotypically associated with the group.

However, according to Janne Kristiansen, the head of Norway’s intelligence agency the PST, there is no way that Breivik’s look was natural.

“You do not have that Aryan look naturally in Norway,” she said.

“Hitler would have had him on posters. He has the perfect, classic Aryan face. “He must have had a facelift,” she added in an interview with The Sunday Times in the UK.

This information fits with the reminiscences of an old schoolfriend, who has recalled that Breivik boasted of having had plastic surgery a decade ago, a time when he had befriended “a group of people obsessed with their bodies”.

“He told me he had had his nose and chin operated on by a plastic surgeon in America,” the friend told the UK’s Sunday Telegraph.

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