Thursday, 21 July 2011

So I agree with this..

14 comments:

pincer said...

As will all things highly technical, always consult more than one specialist for an opinion, even if he is a Nobel prize winner, for in science there is no holy grail.

Even a savant may make errors, or for that matter have an ulterior motive one does not know about.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/11/luc_montagnier_the_nobel_disease_strikes.php

http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2011/03/luc-montagniers-porridge-pill-cure-for-aids.html

One of my relatives was a highly acclaimed South African scientist, so I should know about it.

Due to the global financial downswing, many scientific institutions are faced with across budget cuts. That means the dreams and careers of many gifted scientist are negatively affected, and they have to find new ways in order to generate funds.

This most probably has led to the Global Warming lie.

Perhaps one should zoom in more closely into the motive behind Professor Montagnier's amazing new AIDS treatment with this background in mind.

Dachshund said...

I have a friend who is HIV positive. He was diagnosed about eight years ago. He was put on ARVs which made him extremely sick, he could not tolerate the stuff. He went to a specialist who put him on a concoction of antibiotics and antivirals and he slowly recovered from pneumonia and also a kind of skin cancer common to people with full blown Aids known as Karposi's sarcoma.

These days he's fine, he's not on ARV's, he looks after himself diet wise. Previously he was eating rubbish fast food. He works hard, he's always busy, he's mostly very cheerful. He hasn't completely lost the HIV virus, but his white blood cell count is in the normal range and he appears healthy.

So I think that diet does play a role, and that HIV and even full blown Aids is not always a death sentence.

Something else I've noticed is that a lot of South African blacks don't eat a balanced diet, even the ones that are better off. I was standing behind an obviously better off black woman at the check out at a local supermarket the other day, and I noticed she'd bought lots of Fritos corn snacks, fizzy cold drinks and sugar lollipops, but no fruit or vegetables. So there was nothing in the way of natural anti oxidants. Now this of course is how she was brought up; if you're not used to having electricity for a fridge you won't buy perishables.

Our Minister of Health Dr. Aaron Motsoaledi is not doing a bad job but I think he should create greater public awareness of proper eating habits and the advantages of taking supplements if you don't have the time or opportunity to prepare meals. If you ask your chemist for cheap multivitamins you can get these from the dispensary at a fraction of the price of branded vitamins. Most people don't know this.

Anonymous said...

"Due to the global financial downswing, many scientific institutions are faced with across budget cuts. That means the dreams and careers of many gifted scientist are negatively affected, and they have to find new ways in order to generate funds.

This most probably has led to the Global Warming lie."

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Anthropomorphic climate change "is recognized by the national science academies of all the major industrialized countries and is not disputed by any scientific body of national or international standing".

The Scientific consensus is also clear:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

Maybe it's all fraud and all those thousands of scientists working over decades are just lying because of the current global financial downswing or maybe your armchair analysis is wrong. I will leave that up to the reader to decide. Perhaps you would like to put your findings down and submit them to a peer reviewed journal and win the next Nobel prize.

Dachshund said...

And I agree with THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCKtdbSCadA&feature=player_embedded#at=94

Who care if the Ipad2's are pirated? The Chinese knock them off brilliantly.

Dachshund said...

Arguing about the existence of global warming is like arguing about the existence of God: you can't prove or disprove it.

Anonymous said...

"Arguing about the existence of global warming is like arguing about the existence of God: you can't prove or disprove it."

Yes you can. We have thermometers placed around the world that display an upward average trend over many years. How much of the increase is due to man vs nature and how long it will last is what is argued and as we know anything outside of mathematical proof is determined by probability. In this case only God fails the test.

(the fact that the counter arguments rely on conspiracy theories worked out on serviettes and coasters after looking out the window and the science, huge mountains of checkable, reproducible experimental evidence gathered and verified by thousands of experts across the world should also ring some alarm bells.) The arguments in climate science are miles away from the chat room banter we are exposed to.

Sorry, I know this is the wrong blog for this Rooster but I can't just let it go.

pincer said...

The Scientific consensus is also clear:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

Aha. Nevertheless and notwithstanding, in the context of proof in this particular instance it carries no weight.

While we are at it busy quoting from the highly acclaimed Wikipedia, thus this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

"Maybe it's all fraud and all those thousands of scientists working over decades are just lying because of the current global financial downswing or maybe your armchair analysis is wrong".

Wrong assumption. Not all of them are lying.

But organizations can lie to an unbelievable degree:

- Banksters
- Politicians
- The Mafia
- The olokast
- want more?

The Rooster said...

Our Minister of Health Dr. Aaron Motsoaledi is not doing a bad job but I think he should create greater public awareness of proper eating habits and the advantages of taking supplements if you don't have the time or opportunity to prepare meals.

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The last minister who tried that got called a witch doctor by the media.

She suggesting eating a diet rich in antioxidants and natural antibiotics like...cough cough...garlic and beetroot (ring any bells) and apparently she was claiming they could cure aids.

Fucking bullshit South African media.

The Rooster said...

The thing with global warming is that nobody doubts the warming trends. These heating trends and cooling trends have been consistent through out history.

The debate is whether the earth is unnaturally heating because there is more carbon dioxide....or... Is there more carbon dioxide because the world is naturally heating.

Both arguments are scientifically plausible and neither requires a conspiracy theory. I was in the middle until I saw Gore's film. He made so many alarmist and bogus claims and presented them as fact. I smelled an agenda.


Do you know in the 70's the big debate of the time was global cooling ? Remember the hubdub in the 80's about the "ozone layer" and how cfc's were going to kill us all ?

Politicians have always used fear of dramatic events to channel our cash into their pockets.

But with that said I have recently seen a few compelling pieces of evidence that suggest at least man kind is having some form of impact on the environment, but not nearly to the "manhattan will be under water" extent they want you to believe. But still...I keep an open mind.

pincer said...

"But organizations can lie to an unbelievable degree:

- Banksters
- Politicians
- The Mafia
- The olokast
- want more?"

Two more significant instances have been omitted in this list:

- The Pope and his institutions, and for that matter everything else under the same banner, for more than 2000 years
- Rooster and his sophism

Tip of the day:

An argument is not enhanced by constantly interspersing it with expletives and ad-hominem attacks.

Riddle of the day, just for some Friday fun and games:

Constant swearing will fall under which diagnostic under the DSM-IV-TR (name two of them, closely related)?

(Hint: May be relieved by the use of Risperidone)

Enjoy.

Anonymous said...

Ok rooster, please start a thread under global warming and I will put this to bed by next week. Agree on Gore by way, stupid movie.

Pincer, you really don't have a clue.

Anonymous said...

"Aha. Nevertheless and notwithstanding, in the context of proof in this particular instance it carries no weight."
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Why not?
A "scientific opinion" is any opinion formed via the scientific method, and so is necessarily evidence-backed unlike your "conspiracy" assertion.
This reminds me of the whole creationist "it's only a theory" thing.
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"While we are at it busy quoting from the highly acclaimed Wikipedia, thus this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority"
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I'm sure we are all aware of the limitations of Wikipedia by now. It's quite funny really, you implying that I find a better "Authority" for my links considering what you link to next. I'm a big fan of irony.

So lets get this party started. Meet you in the new thread?

Anonymous said...

"But with that said I have recently seen a few compelling pieces of evidence that suggest at least man kind is having some form of impact on the environment, but not nearly to the "manhattan will be under water" extent they want you to believe. But still...I keep an open mind."

Scientific American has just done a three part artical on current global warming effects. No "Manhattan under water" but some evidence of flooding, drought increase etc. due to temp rise. I think that the real weather issues will be faced long after we are gone - Ocean acidification however is one for us and I doubt we can do anything about it. Rob Dunbar says it best -http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/rob_dunbar.html

One reason I engage people on this topic is because I don't want it to be true and keep hoping someone will show me the error in judgment with some new evidence but MOST of the arguments against are now basically just reteric and the evidence gigantic.
I want to avoid dumping long links to published work on here because people don't read them and the list would be too long but I can if requested. Google scholar is also a good source.

I try to keep an open mind but I'm only human and need to check myself from time to time while also considering that the greatest weakness of the left is to be so open minded the our brains falls out. We can't be 100% sure of anything but at what probability be we act? I would rather eat my words on this one.

The Rooster said...

Yup, as climate change goes i agree its best to err on the side of caution.