Tuesday, 21 June 2011

Genocide watch

I just had great fun laughing myself into a state of near catatonia. Not of course at genocide but rather at some fanatical old ass white trying to present the following argument as proof that genocide is coming to the whites in South Africa. Apparently this is something the blacks are doing.

Now for the fun...I'm going to put the parts in red that 100% describe Apartheid. At the same time i'm going to also put the parts in red AND black that don't describe current day South Africa. 

By Gregory H. Stanton, President, Genocide Watch

Classification Symbolization Dehumanization Organization Polarization Preparation Extermination Denial

Genocide is a process that develops in eight stages that are predictable but not inexorable. At each stage, preventive measures can stop it. The process is not linear. Logically, later stages must be preceded by earlier stages. But all stages continue to operate throughout the process.

1. CLASSIFICATION: All cultures have categories to distinguish people into “us and them” by ethnicity, race, religion, or nationality: German and Jew, Hutu and Tutsi. Bipolar societies that lack mixed categories, such as Rwanda and Burundi, are the most likely to have genocide. The main preventive measure at this early stage is to develop universalistic institutions that transcend ethnic or racial divisions, that actively promote tolerance and understanding, and that promote classifications that transcend the divisions. The Catholic church could have played this role in Rwanda, had it not been riven by the same ethnic cleavages as Rwandan society. Promotion of a common language in countries like Tanzania has also promoted transcendent national identity. This search for common ground is vital to early prevention of genocide.

2. SYMBOLIZATION: We give names or other symbols to the classifications. We name people “Jews” or “Gypsies”, or distinguish them by colors or dress; and apply the symbols to members of groups. Classification and symbolization are universally human and do not necessarily result in genocide unless they lead to the next stage, dehumanization. When combined with hatred, symbols may be forced upon unwilling members of pariah groups: the yellow star for Jews under Nazi rule, the blue scarf for people from the Eastern Zone in Khmer Rouge Cambodia. To combat symbolization, hate symbols can be legally forbidden (swastikas) as can hate speech. Group marking like gang clothing or tribal scarring can be outlawed, as well. The problem is that legal limitations will fail if unsupported by popular cultural enforcement. Though Hutu and Tutsi were forbidden words in Burundi until the 1980’s, code-words replaced them. If widely supported, however, denial of symbolization can be powerful, as it was in Bulgaria, where the government refused to supply enough yellow badges and at least eighty percent of Jews did not wear them, depriving the yellow star of its significance as a Nazi symbol for Jews.

3. DEHUMANIZATION: One group denies the humanity of the other group. Members of it are equated with animals, vermin, insects or diseases. Dehumanization overcomes the normal human revulsion against murder. At this stage, hate propaganda in print and on hate radios is used to vilify the victim group. In combating this dehumanization, incitement to genocide should not be confused with protected speech. Genocidal societies lack constitutional protection for countervailing speech, and should be treated differently than democracies. Local and international leaders should condemn the use of hate speech and make it culturally unacceptable. Leaders who incite genocide should be banned from international travel and have their foreign finances frozen. Hate radio stations should be shut down, and hate propaganda banned. Hate crimes and atrocities should be promptly punished.

4. ORGANIZATION: Genocide is always organized, usually by the state, often using militias to provide deniability of state responsibility (the Janjaweed in Darfur.) Sometimes organization is informal (Hindu mobs led by local RSS militants) or decentralized (terrorist groups.) Special army units or militias are often trained and armed. Plans are made for genocidal killings. To combat this stage, membership in these militias should be outlawed. Their leaders should be denied visas for foreign travel. The U.N. should impose arms embargoes on governments and citizens of countries involved in genocidal massacres, and create commissions to investigate violations, as was done in post-genocide Rwanda.

5. POLARIZATION: Extremists drive the groups apart. Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda. Laws may forbid intermarriage or social interaction. Extremist terrorism targets moderates, intimidating and silencing the center. Moderates from the perpetrators’ own group are most able to stop genocide, so are the first to be arrested and killed. Prevention may mean security protection for moderate leaders or assistance to human rights groups. Assets of extremists may be seized, and visas for international travel denied to them. Coups d’├ętat by extremists should be opposed by international sanctions.

6. PREPARATION: Victims are identified and separated out because of their ethnic or religious identity. Death lists are drawn up. Members of victim groups are forced to wear identifying symbols. Their property is expropriated. They are often segregated into ghettoes, deported into concentration camps, or confined to a famine-struck region and starved. At this stage, a Genocide Emergency must be declared. If the political will of the great powers, regional alliances, or the U.N. Security Council can be mobilized, armed international intervention should be prepared, or heavy assistance provided to the victim group to prepare for its self-defense. Otherwise, at least humanitarian assistance should be organized by the U.N. and private relief groups for the inevitable tide of refugees to come.

7. EXTERMINATION begins, and quickly becomes the mass killing legally called “genocide.” It is “extermination” to the killers because they do not believe their victims to be fully human. When it is sponsored by the state, the armed forces often work with militias to do the killing. Sometimes the genocide results in revenge killings by groups against each other, creating the downward whirlpool-like cycle of bilateral genocide (as in Burundi). At this stage, only rapid and overwhelming armed intervention can stop genocide. Real safe areas or refugee escape corridors should be established with heavily armed international protection. (An unsafe “safe” area is worse than none at all.) The U.N. Standing High Readiness Brigade, EU Rapid Response Force, or regional forces -- should be authorized to act by the U.N. Security Council if the genocide is small. For larger interventions, a multilateral force authorized by the U.N. should intervene. If the U.N. is paralyzed, regional alliances must act. It is time to recognize that the international responsibility to protect transcends the narrow interests of individual nation states. If strong nations will not provide troops to intervene directly, they should provide the airlift, equipment, and financial means necessary for regional states to intervene.

8. DENIAL is the eighth stage that always follows a genocide. It is among the surest indicators of further genocidal massacres. The perpetrators of genocide dig up the mass graves, burn the bodies, try to cover up the evidence and intimidate the witnesses. They deny that they committed any crimes, and often blame what happened on the victims. They block investigations of the crimes, and continue to govern until driven from power by force, when they flee into exile. There they remain with impunity, like Pol Pot or Idi Amin, unless they are captured and a tribunal is established to try them. The response to denial is punishment by an international tribunal or national courts. There the evidence can be heard, and the perpetrators punished. Tribunals like the Yugoslav or Rwanda Tribunals, or an international tribunal to try the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, or an International Criminal Court may not deter the worst genocidal killers. But with the political will to arrest and prosecute them, some may be brought to justice.


Dachshund said...

When are you going to get over the white guilt? Whites didn't oppress blacks for hundreds of years. If no white or Indian or Chinaman had arrived here, blacks would still not have invented the wheel. There would not be 40 million blacks today, there would probably be around 4 million living the way they did centuries ago. Julius Malema would not have been born.

For someone who is so hooked on IQ and giftedness as criteria by which you evaluate your worth you are remarkably oblivious to the lower general intelligence level of blacks. Every time blacks get into power in Africa those new African leaders do their utmost to decimate their populations. Child grants are just a cynical ploy to get black kids to get knocked up sooner so they can die sooner too.

The Rooster said...

Same boring arguments. Must I really over asnd over again remain civil and tell you people how and why you are wrong ?

no culture of society left isolated and to it's own devices would have developed quickly. The level of melanin content in the skin would have absolutely no effect on this. Europen "whites" didn't invent the wheel for well over a hundred thousand years. And when they did invent anything it was far more due to luck and necessity than their skin pigmentation.

The genetic similatities between human races remain so insignificant it has lead to a consensus in biology that race as a physical concept does not exist. Right there and then all arguments based on race a s predicitice primise fall flat on their faces.

You want to understand why people developed differently ? Look at ebnvironmental circumstances, culture, etc. Race ? That's just invalid,. Flat out not even a factor.

It's my responsibility (not guilt) as a human being to use my knowledge to "play fair". But that's a value judgment and something I believe in. If you don't then fine, but don't come and tell me what I have to believe in so long as I don't hurt anyone.

This is the massive flaw with your right winged morons. You criticise , and critique and take apart. But when we ask you how the world should be run instea you present us with absolute ideas of facism and horrific oppression. All forms of righeous indignation therefore fall absolutely flat.

Dachshund said...

I am not a right winger, Rooster, and I fail to see why you don't acknowledge that farm murders are acts of racial revenge by blacks against whites. It does not matter whether these murders are politically motivated or part of overall crime, the level of savagery is out of proportion to any financial gain obtained, the latter appearing in most cases to be incidental. Whether this is genocide or not, it is unnacceptable for any minority group to be targeted this way.

I don't understand your latest tirades against women, unless you had a painful break up recently. Perhaps you should explain yourself more fully?

The Rooster said...

Not for one nano-second is any murder acceptible. No ways....will hang the fuckers responsible myself. Let's be clear on that.

I don't have a tirade against woman. I am reacting to their tirade against men. Not all of us lived only in south africa our whole lives and I admit the women here are still mostly very lovely and demure. I speak from experience of mostly american/canadian/british and some other western european women.

Have I had a bad experience with a western woman ? That's so obvious I don't even see the point in denying it.

It involves a terrible abuse of my rights and I'm bitter as shit.

The Rooster said...

Hint. Fathers day didn't help.

Anonymous said...

Narcissistic personality disorder centres principally around the individual’s attempts to shore up a fundamentally inadequate sense of self-worth.

In its most flagrant forms, pathological narcissism is most recognisable by an overwhelming projection of a sense of grandiosity. Ironically, though, this assertion of grandiosity is usually a function of exactly the opposite in terms of the internal dynamics of the narcissist, i.e. an overwhelming and terrifying doubt  ( often only partially conscious to the narcissist)  that he or she is of value to others.

The narcissist’s defence is typically to assert forcefully, often inappropriately and damagingly, the opposite of this internal conviction.

In their daily interactions with other people, pathological narcissists tend to regard them principally as potential sources of narcissistic supply, i.e. as objects that are of value if they can confirm to the narcissist that they are powerful, influential, valued and competent. Hence, they are largely disinterested in people who will be unable to bolster their grandiosity and they tend to like to have nothing to do with those who are likely to criticise them or even to offer objective assessments of their competence or desirability.

The Rooster said...

That false diagnosis is why you should stick to industrial psychology Rhendier.

Dachshund said...

I'm sorry to hear that, Rooster. That must really hurt.

To the anonymous pop psychologist: everyone is a narcissist to a certain degree. I don't think Rendier would post a comment like that, he's an industrial psychologist, not a clinical diagnostician, and way too smart to come up with crap like that.

The Rooster said...

Thanks Dachshund. That means more than you know.

I don't agree that Rhendier is at all that smart though. In ordcer to be smart you need to be massively curious. And people who are curious become critical thinkers because they absorb so much information that it starts to contradict other information.

Rhendier has been sucked into so many fallacies about South Africa that he clearly is not a critical thinker. He's sucking on the teet of the right winged deliberate lies and has easily been swayed and manipulated by their brand of kool ade. I would forgive it if he was like 16 and emotionally compromised , but he's old enough to know better if he was smart enough. He's not smart at all in fact he leans towards being rather dim. But the compliments remains sincere and hopeful from me in his favour that he has shown actions that make me think he cares about making a positive contribution. While his charity efforts border on histrionic if I am being cynical they're a fuck side better than doing nothing. Again, well done lad.

And yes the comments on his forum defending himself are from him.

Steve Hayes said...

I've had people refer me to the pronouncements of this "Genocide Watch" outfit before. They clearly live in cloud kook-oo land, and are not to be taken seriously.

Anonymous said...

Rooster, I believe that people are trying to use this Genocide Watch Crapola as a way to make refugee claims in other countries. Too bad for them that there is nothing on the website that even remotely resembles proper research or statisical analysis - just a bunch of junk news reporting. I can imagine the refugee courts looking at this so-called evidence and burting into laughter at the utter kak it puts forth as "fact".

Boertjie said...

Hallo Rooster, Dachshund

Rooster, I have a little bit of info and a whole lot of questions to add to the conversation.

Do I understand correctly? Does the black-and-red parts describe what is not happening in SA today and thus the rest that is taking place in SA? If so you are more alarmed than Genocide Watch themselves. You seem to place current day SA at level 6 : preperation.

GW places SA at level 5 currently, but will raise it to level 6 should Mr. Malema gain more power and not be disciplined by the top ANC.



Based additionally on a quick look at their updates-by-region page for SA, it seems that their main concerns for SA is race-hate against Boers/Afrikaners and xenophobic violence.

Rooster quote : "Yes our heads were full of lies and propoganda about communism etc"

(from Afrikaners :intellectual anorexics, Ode to Afrikaners)

Rooster, can you please give me a brief description of what these lies about communism was?

Rooster quote : "But when we ask you how the world should be run"etc

How about that as a theme for some future blog posts? Stuff like :
- How you think the media should go about reporting what goes on
- How you think us whiteys should try to cope with the stuff that bothers us
- How you think us whiteys (and darkies) should try to talk to each other about the stuff about each other that bothers us?

I know its big stuff, but surely you would agree its pretty essential stuff to think about if SA is to make a move towards better race-relations?

Rooster quote : "Must I really over asnd over again remain civil and tell you people how and why you are wrong ?"

Any kind of teacher has to do something similiar to this for a living! :-D


...and the winter frustrates and depresses me seriously :-(

The Rooster said...

Read it boertjie. I said that the parts in red describe apartheid. Something some of your peers pretend was entirely an innocent harmless affair (cocksuckers.)

South Africa is on level 5 of that scale only in extremely vivid and neurotic imagination of the extreme right wing. Who I assume were the force that motivated (many years ago now and never updated, someone to put south africa on level 5). Notice genocide watch has not written about south africa for years. We have fallen out of interest to them. Why ? Because the so called "affected group" (whites) actually make up the lowest murder rate of any group in the country (fact).

Also, the big difference between now and apartheid is that the only reason the extreme right is in a polarised position is because they insist of polarizing themselves from the rest.

Moving on ...

- How you think the media should go about reporting what goes on
- How you think us whiteys should try to cope with the stuff that bothers us
- How you think us whiteys (and darkies) should try to talk to each other about the stuff about each other that bothers us?


-I think the media should be balanced and objective, not sensationalistic and not in the business of trying to scaremonger and alarm and incite people.

- White should cope by seeing it from the other side and gaining a tiny bit of perspective. We ARE the cause of so much of the issues of this country. Acknowledge that, don't pity yourselves too much, but also put your head down for a while and try and hbe part of solutions, not bankrupt critique.
- Let's talk by all taking responsibility for our roles, both past and present and future. Let's talk to each other like human beings.

Anonymous said...

Why is the whole level thing even worth discussing? The source is a non-academic, terribly researched, unreliable piece of junk that no government would ever consider credible information. Level 5, level 6 - who cares? It's made up levels created from made up propaganda. Yes, crime happens here, and yes, it's not pleasant or desireable, but people need to start understanding what quality source material is when they have these discussions. Rooster, I know you get what I'm saying, but some of these other people don't seem to have a sense of what scientifically valid research is. Until proper studies are conducted and replicated, all these numbers and categories are worth nothing more than soapies on TV.

The Rooster said...

I just contacted them to have a look at www.listconspiracy.blogspot.com seeing as they are such great chums with Adriana. If they take the time I think you might see us taken off that silly list very soon.

Anonymous said...


The Rooster said...

Yup. And to think there was a functioning right winged disonformation machine not too many years ago that was running rampant. If you didn't know better a baby in this country was lucky not to be eaten a live by a dog by 11 am every morning. But that was before I came along and set things right. I'm sort of a hero.

Anonymous said...

I know.:-) I tried to be a hero but had to shut down my blog due to all the haters. You found me there before, but sadly it's all shut down now. Will send you an email and update you on why this genocide watch thing is really ticking me off...

The Rooster said...

Well all the hate I have been through the years. Death threats, mockery and exposure when I was diagnoised with a dread disease, family abuse ect has just motivated me to keep going. Fancy people wanting to kill you and wish you dead simply because you didn't buy into their "keep fear alive" campaign ?

World is full of all sorts of creepy fuck ups.

The Rooster said...

What was the site ?

Boertjie said...

Rooster quote : "Notice genocide watch has not written about south africa for years"


That link is actually a letter from genocide watch to some guy who made a youtube video asserting actual genocide. The letter is written just over a year ago.

Should be interesting to see what they make of listconspiricy.

To everyone who says GW base it's findings on media reports (seems to be true), how do you propose they actually go about their research? Statistical analysis would be great, but then they would have to go into the statistics for every country they watch, and try to figure out how/if echniticity is recorded in the stats. Looking at the farmmurder-investigation report of 2003, it seems these people had a hard time coming up with the most reliable stats.

The Rooster said...

There is no conclusion to make from listconspiracy other than the obvious truth : That censorbugbear is a pack of lies. I didn't pull any fancy tricks. I just showed that there are less than 1200 names on the "list of over 3000 murdered farmers", and beyond that that many were not dead or murdered, many were not whites, and most were not farmers. I gave concrete example of every assertion and it's there for anyone to see.

If you claim I am wrong about any of the the above you're simply refusing to read the evidence that is there in front of you. Adriana stuijt is a known liar and I have proved it.

The Rooster said...

To everyone who says GW base it's findings on media reports (seems to be true), how do you propose they actually go about their research?

Easy to answer. They don't do any research. If they had, like I have done they would realise whites are by far the least affected goup in this country by violent crimes. Next is blacks and the most affected is coloured.

White women according to the MRI for example are murdered at a rate of 2.8 while coloured males closer to 100 per 100 000. Blacks 40 per 100 000 and white males 13 per 100 000.

Boertjie said...

I agree that Adrianas list is devoid of credibility. My concerns is not just based on farmmurders

The Rooster said...

Feel free to flesh out your concerns. Everyone in the world should have concerns right now. Over population, climate change (although less to do with man made global warming that natural cycles), food prices, oil prices etc. These are scary times. But to blame everything in the world on the A.N.C/black people and make them out to be the root of all evil is incredibly lame.

How does the saying go ?

Don't attibute to malice what can easily be attributed to stupidity. The later is far more prevelant and consistant in the world.

Anonymous said...

"Feel free to flesh out your concerns. Everyone in the world should have concerns right now. Over population, climate change (although less to do with man made global warming that natural cycles), food prices, oil prices etc."


Sorry but I could not let this pass without a word. About global warming, that's not the accepted scientific consensus anymore Rooster. As it's off topic I will only provide stronger evidence if you are interested but this YouTube channel created by a scientific journalist spells it out for the laymen and links to peer review papers including a meta-analysis over the past 25 years. Natural cycles are only part of the story.

http://www.youtube.com/user/potholer54#p/c/A4F0994AFB057BB8 See the climate change playlist.







The Rooster said...

Preaching the the converted brother. Like I said global warming 30 years ago was called "global cooling". It's one huge scam. Now ready your mind for one more thing.

So is hiv/aids. Not the disease but the hyperbolic propoganda.

The Rooster said...

Really I seem so smart yet you think I drink the eco-hippie global warming kool ade?

Anonymous said...

I know you are a smart guy Rooster but this is more about having the time and inclination to research a complicated topic.

I don't think you're catching my drift Rooster. What I'm saying is that the hippie bullshit propaganda about man-made global warming turns out to be supported by the evidence. The science has always pointed towards warming (despite whatever the media has reported - see meta-analysis) and the overwhelming majority of climatologists now support the conclusion that natural factors alone don't account for much of the warming we are seeing.They support the conclusion of anthropogenic climate change because that is what the evidence supports. The maths on carbon emissions and decimation of natural carbon sinks etc is more than convincing. In short, the scientific consensus points to man made global warming.

This is familiar territory for you: The famous mailing list going around of 31 000 scientist who disagree with anthropogenic climate change. Like your "dead farmers" list when you break it down you find that of the "scientists" many have no qualifications at all and only 9000 are PhDs and guess how many are climatologists actively involved in climate research - a hand full, namely John Christy, Richard Lindzen, Patrick Micheals and Roy Spencer. How many have published their criticism in a peer reviewed scientific journal lately? None that I can find, maybe you can.
Have a look quick look at what all the top journals like Nature, The Royal Society, Science, or the Journal of Applied Meteorology and Climatology, Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences, Journal of Climate etc. are saying. See what the metoffice and Noaa are saying about it. Most importantly look at the evidence and make up your own mind. Anthropogenic climate change is a reality.

I don't want to harp on but this is important stuff and my advice, if you want it, is to bypass the 1000's of opinion pieces on the internet and look at what the evidence says. The links I posted are also a good place to look especially the potholer54 channel (as he does a lot of digging for you). Perhaps I could change your mind on this one just like you have changed my mind about things in South Africa over the years.

Also, as an animal lover, look up the affects that ocean acidification (from excess carbon absorbtion) is having on marine life right now, today.

The Rooster said...

I will take a look at what you have referenced. I remain open minded about the issue, just it would seem the media does err on the side of neurotic. The evidence I have seen and the stats point towards an entirely natural climate cycle.

You clearly already know both sides as to whether it's carbon dioxide warming the world or the other way around yadda yadda yadda. I'll stay open minded to the issue if you do.

And yes, I do get the argument that it's better to err on the side of caution on such an issue.