Saturday, 26 February 2011

While I am at it..the lies keep coming !


Read this crock of what can only be described as shite.

http://tia-mysoa.blogspot.com/2011/02/root-cause-of-farm-murders-in-south.html
Alright I hear what you are saying. The woman is clearly unhinged with her old testiment bible loonacy. But let's just focus on her so called "stats."

Now I'm saying she knows she's lying. She might just suffer from a confirmation bias , where by she's just a little to ready to believe anything that suits her world views without being skeptical about it. Which is probably why after she has read the real facts she wll put her head in the sand and carry on believing this unsubstantuated rubbish anyway.

Here's a very quick rebuttal I posted on there site. This stuff really belongs on the new blog but I'm working on the format there, so thought I would post it here for now. Who wants to bet she deletes my comment (censors me) again ? Please feel free to correct me if I have made any mistakes as it was a rather quick rebbutal. Unlike her I will not censor your revelations. I have nothing to hide.

Wow. What a bunch of misinformation.

Firstly the official murder rate in South Africa is 34 per 100 000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_rate

Secondly whites have a far lower murder rate than other races. White females 2.8 per 100 000 and white males 13 per 100 000.

http://writingrights.org/2010/01/12/race-class-violent-crime-in-south-africa-dispelling-the-huntley-thesis/

And even with the most creative maths how did you get to that murder rate for white farmers ? There are 250 000 - 350 000 commercial farmers in South Africa depending on who you ask.

http://www.iss.co.za/cjm/farmrep/part11.pdf

Assuming only 250 000, If 3000 were murdered in 17 years that would mean around 1 in 3000 or 33 out 100 000. Luckily according to the T.A.U only around 1200 people of all races have been murdered (farmers or family) since 1992, so it's actually far lower.

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-04-08-anatomy-of-a-farm-murder


There, posted with actual facts. Not pulled from some random orifice. Now do you have the guts to not censor the truth this time ?

Not to mention that 3000 is said to be made up of farmers and their families. And the actual list is made up mostly of people who are not farmers, often not white , or even dead. How do you sleep at night in this bed of lies ? Your house of cards is very flimsy my darling.

http://www.listconspiracy.blogspot.com/


30 comments:

Anonymous said...

You are lying!

Below is a newspaper article from a very credible newspaper group that states that more than 60 murders have taken place on farms and plots in a 45 day period!

You must be so happy that you and Rendier closed down South Africa Sucks because now there is nobody anymore to show you for the sick LIAR that you are!

"Meer as 60 moorde is van begin Desember 2010 tot middel Januarie op plase en kleiner boerdery-eenhede in Suid-Afrika gepleeg.

Dié skoksyfer is gister deur mnr. André Botha, voorsitter van Agri SA se komitee vir landelike veiligheid, aan Volksblad bekend gemaak."

http://www.volksblad.com/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Bloedbad-op-SA-plase-20110222

Anonymous said...

"Unlike her I will not censor your revelations."

LIAR!

You didnt publish my comment where I asked you wheter it wouldve been less horrific and less unjust if the nazis killed only 5, or 4, or 3 or 1 million jews instead of the 6 million they really killed!

You Sir, censor comments that do not further you agenda. You have no integrity. You say you seek the truth but then you censor people like me who happen to disagree with you on this specific issue. Most of the time I agree with you but I detest being censored!

South Africa Sucks never censored my comments even though I disagreed with them 80% of the time.

It must feel great for you to have the only say now, where nobody can even publish dissenting views!

The Rooster said...

You must feel like a real idiot. Look at the comments page of the last post. Posted and answered.


Bwahahahaha

Muppet.

The Rooster said...

Below is a newspaper article from a very credible newspaper group that states that more than 60 murders have taken place on farms and plots in a 45 day period!

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Read the article. It says nothing about the demographics. How many of those were white ? 3 ?

Anonymous said...

My apologies, I did not see that you published and replied to my comment on the last post.

There is however no need to insult me and call me names just because I made a mistake.

Here is your answer,

"What if there were less jews killed that other ethic groups in the gass chamber ? Would the hollocaust still be about jews ?

See what I did there ?"

Jews comprised the highest % of those killed in the gas chambers relative to all the other races killed in % by the nazis.

Now use the words blacks instead of nazis and use the words whites instead of jews in the sentence above.

The nazis killed everybody, just like the blacks in South Africa, but the nazis killed jews in a greater % proportion when compared to all those they slaughtered.

I actually find this conversation very sickening. We are arguing about numbers of people murdered but forget that even 1 murder should be enough to be angry about and raise our voices.

Tell me Sir, why are you constantlz attacking people who are trying to stop all these murders. If you are so concerned about the real numbers why dont you offer your help to that old lady so that she can present her facts better.

Why dont you rather focus your energy on helping tell the world about all the black farm workers who have been slaughtered like animals by blacks, or does your hate for the whites in SA blind you so much that even the lives of the blacks in SA is not worth fighting for.

Anonymous said...

"Read the article. It says nothing about the demographics. How many of those were white ? 3 ?"

According to my quick research on the Volksblad newspaper, it is 12 whites, including that 3 year old girl. Unfortunately none of the black newspapers report on farm murders, even though the most murdered on the farms are the black farm workers.

The Sunday Times also report on it but not often. I dont know about any other source but for the TLU and Agriforum and Mrs Stuitje.

Now if I take an average of 12 white farmers )their families included) who are murdered in a 45 day period then it averages 96 per year and comes to a total of 1728 over 18 years.

I think 1728 are enough unlike you who want to dismiss the whole issue simply by proving that Mrs Stuitje cannot count properly.

The Rooster said...

According to my quick research on the Volksblad newspaper, it is 12 whites, including that 3 year old girl. Unfortunately none of the black newspapers report on farm murders, even though the most murdered on the farms are the black farm workers.

The Sunday Times also report on it but not often. I dont know about any other source but for the TLU and Agriforum and Mrs Stuitje.

Now if I take an average of 12 white farmers )their families included) who are murdered in a 45 day period then it averages 96 per year and comes to a total of 1728 over 18 years.

I think 1728 are enough unlike you who want to dismiss the whole issue simply by proving that Mrs Stuitje cannot count properly.

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I'll take your word for it. Even if these are all farmers, I think the fact that it made a sensational headline suggests it's a freakishly bad period. Hardly fair to select that period and average it over 17 years. That's not comparing apples and apples. I highly doubt it's close to 1700. Remember around 280 whites are murdered a year in S.A. Certainly not half are farmers as your estimate suggests.

The Rooster said...

Tell me Sir, why are you constantlz attacking people who are trying to stop all these murders. If you are so concerned about the real numbers why dont you offer your help to that old lady so that she can present her facts better.

Why dont you rather focus your energy on helping tell the world about all the black farm workers who have been slaughtered like animals by blacks, or does your hate for the whites in SA blind you so much that even the lives of the blacks in SA is not worth fighting for.

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I have contacted her to correct her often in a pleasant manner. Or at least to explain to me howshe is arriving at her absurd conclusions. She ignored/censored me which shows me she is not interested in being truthful.

Anonymous said...

"And even with the most creative maths how did you get to that murder rate for white farmers ? There are 250 000 - 350 000 commercial farmers in South Africa depending on who you ask."

There are 40 000 white farmers in SA according to the Sunday Times of England.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article7078730.ece

The Sunday Times of England has impeccable journalistic credentials. Now you tell us that this internationally recognized newspapers and its editor and journalists are LIARS just because you say so!

Read this article by this newspaper,

"White farmers 'being wiped out'
Over 3,000 have been killed since 1994. Now the ANC is accused of fanning the hate."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article7078730.ece

And here you have a relevant passage from wikipedia,

"Genocide watch has expressed concern that the brutal murders of ethno European-Farmers in South Africa,"has reached at least level four, Organization, and probably level five, Polarization.[7] Furthermore as early as 2001 genocide watch has stated that,"2.2 percent of ethno-European farmers had already been murdered and more than (5,594/45,000*100=) 12 percent of these farmers had been attacked on their farms".[8] This data was from 2001 since then approximately 2,000 (4-5%) of ethno-European farmers have been murdered in South Africa.[9]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_farm_attacks

This means that you want to tell us that Genocide Watch and the Sunday Times of England are LIARS and that only you are 100% correct!

The Rooster said...

There are 40 000 white farmers in SA according to the Sunday Times of England.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article7078730.ece

The Sunday Times of England has impeccable journalistic credentials. Now you tell us that this internationally recognized newspapers and its editor and journalists are LIARS just because you say so!

Read this article by this newspaper,

"White farmers 'being wiped out'
Over 3,000 have been killed since 1994. Now the ANC is accused of fanning the hate."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article7078730.ece

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Well they jumped the shark there.

Read it and weep.

http://www.iss.co.za/cjm/farmrep/part11.pdf


Even the T.A.U claims there are over 40k Afrikaaner farmer familes alone (150k) people. So much for journalistic integrity, but hey when sensationalism sells why let the truth get in the way of a good story ?

How many does Adriana claim ?

12 000.


Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha !

Even by your bogus journalism article you expose her.

The Rooster said...

I tried to check the sources of your hyperbolic article, but the page was down. Care to tell me what their sources were for the murders and number of farmers ?

What makes ADriana list so silly is she says there are 12000 farmers left and almost 4000 have been killed. That's one in 4. Now I know hundreds of farmers (Grew up on a farm), who know together 1000's of farmers. How come I never knew one (or they did and told me about it) who was murdered ?

Stop showing such a lack of skepticism with your confirmation bias.

The Rooster said...

Oh I see it now. There are no refrences ! They spoke to the freedom front was the closest they came to naming a source.


Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha !

mega fail !

Anonymous said...

Maybe you should realize that 1 white farmer supports 24 families, or 118 people.

"Een boer ‘onderhou’ 118 mense"

http://www.nuus24.com/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Een-boer-onderhou-118-mense-20100709

even if just 1000 white farmers have been murdered then it means that the livelyhoods of 1 1800 people, mostly black farm workers and their families, are effectively destroyed.

Of course this doesnt bother you because you hate the white Afrikaner farmers so much that you would rather see all of them either dead or away from SA.

I sincerely hope your aim with your agenda is a good aim because what you are doing now is very sickening.

Instead of standing up and trying to protect the lives of every white farmer and his 118 dependents, you are doing your very best to relativice their murders as if 1000 or 1100 or 1200 or even maybe 3200 is NOTHING!

Anonymous said...

You Sir, censor comments that do not further you agenda.
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Agenda, let me guess someone who is running around spreading --- 'the truth'

nolstuijt.wordpress.com
afrikanerjournal.wordpress.com
longwalksincefreedom.blogspot.com
censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com
afrikaner-genocide-achives.blogspot.com
boermurders.blogspot.com
www.farmitracker.com/reports?c=0&page=13

Who writes all this shit all over the place? Now lets talk about twisting the truth.

The Transvaal Agricultural Union's own list of murdered COMMERCIAL FARMERS now stands at 1,647.
www.farmitracker.com

The Transvaal Agricultural Union (TAU) recorded 1 266 murders.
www.mg.co.za

Do you see how they suddenly made it "Commercial Farmers" even though it is not. It includes farm workers.

Here is someone WITH credibility:

Farm owners, farm workers, labour tenants, and their families

"Everyone is reluctant to break down [surveys into farm attacks] into race. Currently these attacks include everyone in the farming community -- farm workers, farmers and their families. There are only two indicators -- farm attacks and farm murders. It includes everyone."

Kerwin Lebone, researcher, Institute for Race Relations

Anonymous said...

I do not agree with Mrs Stuitje list. But I agree with Genocide Watch of Dr Stanton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_farm_attacks

You quote wikileaks and use it as a source but when I do it then I am a failure.

Do you agree with Geoncide Watch-

The Rooster said...

Of course this doesnt bother you because you hate the white Afrikaner farmers so much that you would rather see all of them either dead or away from SA.


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Fuck you ! The same goes to the next person who comes with the implication that I hate Afrikaners.


Just because I choose not to believe obvious lies does not make me a hater of anyone or anything. Far from it. Where on my site do you see any race hate ? Fuck right off.

The Rooster said...

Agenda, let me guess someone who is running around spreading --- 'the truth'

nolstuijt.wordpress.com
afrikanerjournal.wordpress.com
longwalksincefreedom.blogspot.com
censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com
afrikaner-genocide-achives.blogspot.com
boermurders.blogspot.com
www.farmitracker.com/reports?c=0&page=13

Who writes all this shit all over the place? Now lets talk about twisting the truth.



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Thank you ! This stuff is posted everywhere and based on known lies. Why don't you question their agenda ?

The Rooster said...

I at least never post lies to support my views. My agenda is truth and balance.

Anonymous said...

"Where on my site do you see any race hate ?"

LIAR!....and COWARD!

You just blocked access to your hate filled anti_ Afrikaner section called "An Ode to Afrikaners".

You also just blocked access to that same article on your dutchmen blog!

Why did you do this now?

The Rooster said...

What are you smoking ?

Hate site ? Where ? And what have I blocked ?

Anonymous said...

"I at least never post lies to support my views. My agenda is truth and balance."

Where is your fantastically beautiful and balanced agenda with that blatantly bigoted article of yours called "An Ode to Afrikaners"?

Why are you blocking access to it now?

You always accussed South Africa Sucks of generalizing about blacks.

But you do exactly the same, just with Afrikaners. These are your words,

"You know those tolerant, peace loving , intellectuals ?

A topic I feel I might run with for a while. Why ? Because it's fun to put a mirror up to a bigot.

Kiss kiss.
Rooster "

Maybe South Africa Sucks also did what you do namely "to put a mirror up to a black bigot" like Malema and Mugabe.

But you shut them down and you are now the only one allowed "to put a mirror up to a bigot."

)I see you "suddenly" allowed access to that sick article again on your dutchmen blog)

You reallz are pathetic! Have you no integrity?!

The Rooster said...

Are you talking about www.dutchmen.blogspot.com ?


Anyone can see that ! What are you on about man ? I only deleted my other original blog. If you call that hate speech you have no sense of humour. Verkrampte much ?

The Rooster said...

Here is the sites disclaimer.

I'm "half" Afrikans. Apart from the rare actual valid critique that happens mostly by accident, this is more about self loathing and introspection than anything else. Laugh with me as we laugh at ourselves. Certainly don't get yourselves all worked up over some silly blog. Peace, biltong and boerewors !


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Man you guys can be so precious. Such hair trigger tempers. Rip on anyone in an ugly way and when you get a little tease back you want to call up a geneva convention. Grow up as a culture.

Anonymous said...

"If you call that hate speech you have no sense of humour. Verkrampte much ?"

Ok, then I might as well say,

"If you call South Africa Sucks articles hate speech you have no sense of humour. Politically correct much?"

This means your bigotry is just "a sense of humour" but when other do the same, its "hate speech"!

You truelly are a very confused young man!

In my days there was a thing called Free Speech. The best argument won the day. We did not ban opposing views, on the contrary, we positively loved humiliating "dumb" arguments because the power of human reason can best any stupidity. I think you will agree with me on that one, or?

But in order for the best argument to win, it needs to be let loose on stupidity. If it has no "enemy" it, the best argument becomes the only argument and solidifies into dogma, like religion.

You just scored a big victory for dogma when you closed South Africa Sucks. Now people like me have no possibility anzmore to counter some of the stupidity on that blog regarding bigotry!

One day you will grow up young man and then you will realize that an adult is not afraid of any contrary opinion because it is up to him personally to prove his own position without resorting to cowardice by killing his opponent even before he had the opportunity to exercise his right to hold an opinion, and defend it, as well!

Goodbye Sir, and I hope you grow up one day to realize that free speech and debate is the hub of successful human interaction, just like we have done over the past 2 days.

I thank you for your time and your willingness to have published my opinions and views, even if they were sometimes contrary to yours.

South Africa Sucks also honoured my opinions bz publishing them, even if they were mostly against them.

It is just such a pity that you closed them down because like you I am also of Portuguese decent and I have also lived on a farm. My parents farm was in Angola, we fled in 1976 with only 1 car and 2 suitcases. My mother was raped in front of me just before we crossed into South West Africa at Ruacana. Some Afrikaners who you hate so much took care of us in Oshakati, a little border town.

I will never forget their hospitality and support. Their children slept on the kitchen floor so that my mother could recover in her own room.

These normal Afrikaners never asked for a cent in return. They helped 1000s of other Portugeuse refugees like my family. I will therefore always have a very big place for them in my heart. They are the toughest but softest people I ever met when life gets really hard and brutal.

I hope you make peace with them one day young man because the way things are going in your country now, you will maybe need the best friends in need one day. And the Afrikaners will be that best friend, just like they were to me and my family.

Trust me young man, the english and blacks of SA care only for themselves. Heed my advice!

Thank you

Anonymous said...

Trust me young man, the english and blacks of SA care only for themselves. Heed my advice!
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So do the Afrikaners you dimwit.

Anonymous said...

"So do the Afrikaners you dimwit."

That is not true.

If the Afrikaners had "looked" after the indigenous population of SA like the white American and Australian settlers did then the would still be in the demographic majority.

Aint it just so marvelous to wipe out the locals like the white Australians and Americans did, and then live in a modern white civilized country like thez do 200 years later!

DUMB AFRIKANERS! Even too dumb to understand that demographics determine destiny!

The Rooster said...

That is not true.

If the Afrikaners had "looked" after the indigenous population of SA like the white American and Australian settlers did then the would still be in the demographic majority.

Aint it just so marvelous to wipe out the locals like the white Australians and Americans did, and then live in a modern white civilized country like thez do 200 years later!

DUMB AFRIKANERS! Even too dumb to understand that demographics determine destiny!

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Actually around 1915 we were still pretty much equally matched with the blacks in the country. If hiv predictions were ever based in facts (rather than massive hyperbole...see there is a pattern to things I don't like, and they all involve scaremongering and hyperbole) there would be more whites than blacks in S.A by now too.

The Rooster said...

Interestingly enough, the latest demographic studies show that the average population growth in S.A is 1%. While for whites it's 4%. Although a lot of that is expat comings to live in S.A. and whites returning after they realise how much better life is in s.a than crappy europe.

The Rooster said...

Maybe you should realize that 1 white farmer supports 24 families, or 118 people.

"Een boer ‘onderhou’ 118 mense"

http://www.nuus24.com/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Een-boer-onderhou-118-mense-20100709

even if just 1000 white farmers have been murdered then it means that the livelyhoods of 1 1800 people, mostly black farm workers and their families, are effectively destroyed.

Of course this doesnt bother you because you hate the white Afrikaner farmers so much that you would rather see all of them either dead or away from SA.

I sincerely hope your aim with your agenda is a good aim because what you are doing now is very sickening.

Instead of standing up and trying to protect the lives of every white farmer and his 118 dependents, you are doing your very best to relativice their murders as if 1000 or 1100 or 1200 or even maybe 3200 is NOTHING!

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You're preaching to the converted here. We need the boers in this country. Hence why I don't want someone usng scaremongering to chase them away.


If they really want a homeland I support that. I'm all for self determination. Nobody should have the rainbow nation shoved down their throat. But I am sure a boer nation will fail. You just can't run a farm without the cheap labour. Maybe they can mechanise ? We can still buy whatever food they farm from them, but the government would probably just bring in chinese farmers to spite them who will produce more for half the costs.

Anonymous said...

Maybe you should realize that 1 white farmer supports 24 families, or 118 people.
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You are so correct. The average farm worker makes €80/US$107 per month. Why not pay them less so that you can support even more families.Think of the possibilities.

Talk about self determination. What White South African is going to work for US$107 per month?

Hahahahaha Oh Fuck. Rooster might have a point!