First a message to those who know who they are. Smart move.
But maybe just a little too late.
We'll see.
Now..
Regarding http://www.listconspiracy.blogspot.com/ . I am not trying to suppress anyone or anything, nor deny or even suggest anything other than I am simply pointing out the lies in the list and later giving out the reasons why I suggest she has lied. Once you have read it you will surely conclude that she has lied and lied a lot. That's all I'm hoping you are able to be honest enough with yourselves about for now. Because at the heart of every radial right winged movement lies this mythology of the boer genocide. If it is exposed , as I have done, that it's not true or at least grossly exaggerated people might have to re-examine the validity of the rest of what they "teach."
I won't be shocking anyone if I told you at the heart of this is an attempt to motivate people towards the idea of a Volkstaat. Something certain people have been after even during Apartheid when the "verkramptes" considered even living with the English to be a vile perversion of their pure "Boer" (chosen people of god) souls.
(Zionist comparison intended. )
I AM NOT passively supporting boer "genocide". I reject that entirely. In fact the suggestion makes me furious. That's like saying I want harm to come to more than half my own family. I find the murder, torture and rape of farmers to be a disgusting reprehensible and entirely heinous act that must be stamped out from the roots. Which is sort of the point. The roots after all is hate and hate bounces.
I have one agenda and that is to expose the massive hyperbole being used to try and manipulate people by driving a wedge into society and seeding hate between groups. We had enough of this during Apartheid and look where it got us ? A country where people like Julius Malema and Steve Hoffmeyer have a large following.
Am I denying there is a farm murder problem ? No. There is a crime problem in this country. As a more reliable (but probably also slightly over stated) source pointed out they count 70 farm murders a year (Also a Boer genocide alarmist, but a seemingly more honest one). That's almost 1 every 5 days. Or to use the famous 50 people are murdered a day in this country , about 1 out of every 250 people murdered is a white farmer. Or 1 out of every 5 whites who are murdered is a farmer. So while there is a crime problem it's certainly not one unique to white farmers. And I fully support the rights of white to stand up for themselves and defend themselves as a group. But surely that doesn't have to happen at the expense of spreading hate through lies and distortions ?
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I honestly believe that whites are specifically targeted. One, because historically they are considered to have more, but also secondly, because of the cruelty with which some of these attacks take place. Farm murders specifically arent random attacks. They are just to remotely located. Even police officials have been involved in farm attacks. If you live outside SA, and you are not a Saffer, and you read about these attacks as well as the brutal manner in which most of it is done, you will conclude something ominous is at play. You have spent a lot of energy in trying to debunk what you call a "myth", but for an outsider it looks like there is a concerted effort to murder white farmers and get them of their land. How do you explain SA's crime and the brutal nature of it?
I'm not going to try and defend any murder and try and justify it. Certainly there have been a few horrific farm murders. I can't pretend I know the intimite motivations for these killing, but I don't see any pattern that leads me to think they are related or orginised a central body.
Again they are not nearly as prevelant as is being suggested by that list. Just look through the list. Read it. Very few are farmers. And without for a nano second suggesting anything is acceptable about these murders remember that compared to other race groups whites have by far the lowest chance of being murdered.
So it's two entirely different issues.
Ask me if farm murders (like all murders) are horrific, I say yes. Ask me if there are too many of them, the answer is yes.
Ask me if there are as many as that list and the exreme right say there are , and I say no.
Ask me if there is a genocide, I say certainly no.
Entirely different side of the issues.
The reason why we have violent and cruel crime is because the perpetrators, usually in the 18-35 age group, are brought up brutally and violently to single mothers without fathers or father figures, other than gangsters. This is most definitely the result of the criminalising effect of apartheid with its migrant labour system, but it's time for the government to step up to the plate with social programs that re-establish the family as a wholesome and functioning unit. Do away with child grants and make it a taboo for children to be born out of wedlock. The churches have a vital role to play in this regard.
As regards the Volkstaat crowd proposing apartheid all over again, they still don't seem to realise that apartheid caused the problems in the first place. And as most of these volkstaters now have one foot in the grave, they will never get to realise it, but mercifully it won't be too long before their rumblings finally end.
I know. It's amazing to discover how old some of these people I've been fighting with are. I get on great with the majority of younger Afrikaners (the odd prick being the exception). They really are literally a dying breed. Thank god.
I dont agree with you completely Rooster. At this stage it is not genocide yes, but it has the makings of one. Secondly, i seriously believe that it would be easier for the ANC's land reformation if they have willing sellers. And to get willing sellers, they need boere to be scared. The brutality of some of the attacks on whites, whether it be farmers or not tells me there is a lot of hate. Its not just about taking things, its about payback.
@ Dachshund: I dont agree that you can blame apartheid for this. Somewhere people need to take responsibility. Personally I think, by accepting their conduct you are allowing them to adhere to a lower standard, which is just another form of racism. Africa's history is rife with violence, you will run out of excuses to justify it all. Apartheid is just too convenient and I think people like you cause more harm by thinking the way you do. We need the rule of law to be enforced by people who are not corrupt. Look how well it worked for the world cup. The Government spent a lot of money to protect foreigners visiting our country. Why cant they do it for their own tax paying citizens? Once the rule of law is implemented properly, everything else will be much easier. You cannot govern a disorganized country.
There you go Rooster, swearing and insulting just because you dont agree with my opinion. Stop being a child. The ANC cannot just take, it wont bode well with their PR machine and they will lose international support if they do. That is something they dont want yet. It also fits pretty nice with the same strategy they used during apartheid. You shoot down my opinion, but you cant disprove it either. Lastly, if you want to call my logic stupid instead of just discussing the topic like a grown man, let's stop the debate then and you can go chat with yourself.
They very much CAN take and nobody would give a damn. The world cares about as much for whitey saffers as they do for Nazis. It's even part of out law that government can take land as and when they wish. Yet despite this they have taken around 3%. Get this into yor loony skull : The A.N.C might be a bunch of idiots and corrupt cronies, but they are not fucking planning murders. Is Trever Manuel in on this ? Is Barbara Hogan ? Martinus ? You absolute fucking muppet !
And numerically speaking they are less of a target than your average black person by miles.
Rooster your logic is extremely flawed.
You say that 1 out of every 250 people murdered are white farmers.
But only 1 out of 3750 people are farmers.
Do you see the problem?
3750 / 250 = 15
They are 15 times more likely to get murdered than the rest of teh popolution.
That is an insane discrepancy.
And those were just the ones who were going to go to Georgia. Remember wen we talk about farm murders we talk about all whites who live on farms.
Here's the link.
http://cofcc.org/2010/10/exodus-of-thousands-of-white-south-african-farmers-could-be-near/
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In addition to interviews with the Boers and reportage from South Africa, the program shows Boers visiting Georgia and the signing in late August 2010 of a memorandum of cooperation between the Georgian government and the Organization of the farmers of South Africa, uniting 41,000 Afrikaner families, approx. 150 thousand people.
And when I said 1 in 250 people that was going at the estimation of a boer right winger. So it's a worst case scenario anyway.
I have just read a document which i downloaded from the SAPS' website dealing specifically with farm attacks. It is a bit dated (2001) and might be the document you base your information on. One thing though they dont say 150 000 "boer" farmers. They talk about +/- 40 000 commercial farmers and 150 000+ if you include subsistence farmers. They also state the real number as being unknown due to various factors.
The Report also contains the following:
"According to Action Stop Farm Attacks, ‘evidence strongly suggest that many farm attacks are a concerted effort to intimidate the farming community’, which is why farm attackers ‘do not merely intend killing their victims, but instead want to inflict pain, humiliation and suffering, especially on elderly people and women’.1 A countrywide signature campaign launched by Action Stop Farm Attacks in May 2000, in protest against the high number of attacks on farmers, had collected 372,000 signatures within six months." The document contains references to sources for this statement.
I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt and see if you could convince me, but instead you only succeeded in proving you are a prick. Instead of debating the topic you got personal and rude and debated the man. Your bigoted opinion is clearly uncontainable and you come across as a raving lunatic. Just look at how you tried to insult me. You completely overplayed your hand. You are not that far off from the crazy right wing people you so despise. You're just on the other side of the same coin.. Naw, you lost the argument completely when you decided to insult instead of debate. You also failed to prove me wrong. Just a reminder I did say "previous ANC strategy" did I not?" Also, the majority of the perps who attack farms arent ex-employees. Read my previous post again. It is pretty straight forward, nothing crazy there. There is nothing wrong with my logic, believe me. However, you, on the other hand, need to look in the mirror. You have issues mate and I say this because you seem to have trouble containing yourself. This and your general attitude fucks up your ability to debate and that is why no one takes you serious. Cheers
If you were calculating how many business owners in South Africa have been murdered since 1994, you would not factor in the number of employees, so why are you inlcuding all their family members?
There are 40 000 commercial farmers in South Africa.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article7078730.ece
If you double your numbers, their murders will still be disproportionate to their demographical representation.
Even if you disregard all the figures. The shear brutality of these murders should be enough to make the alarm bells go off.
No, when they talk about white farm murders they do not just talk about the murders of the alpha farmer. They include the family members or white workers.
But yes SOME of the murders have been brutal to suggest they were not a case of simple robbery. But there is no trend to suggest orginised conspiracy. Without excusing or trying to brush over this FACT, I think you will find there are factors involved such as how staff were treated etc Are some racially motivated ?Obviously. That was bound to be the case with the stupid system of apartheid we tried to sustain and the hate and resentment it caused in the hearts of many blacks. If we want to stop race based crimes we need to disarm this hate. Not fuel it by over stating the issue. Again..HATE BOUNCES. And sometimes it bounces back in your own direction.
Just a little anecdote. An eldery black lady (women and old people are generally terrible drivers)was taking a bit too much time when trying to park in a crowded parking lot. The guy in front of me, an Afrikaner champ screamed prejudice at her out his window..."move jou fokken meid !"
I thought, dude I wonder how you would feel about white people if the roles were reversed.
I just watched some carte blanche story on farm murders. And don't think I'm some cold bastard, I'm not. It tears at my heart to see what people have gone through. And it takes every inch of my impulse control to not want to give into hate. Race hate. That's when I remind myself that these killers are the worse kind of psychopathic filth and do not represent black people. And that it's important I remind people of that and the fact that us whites are the least affected by volent crime. But then I'm trained in the social sciences so this come more naturally to me. I fully understand why you would have the strong feelings you do when talking about this issue and feel I am being callous and trying to trivialise it.
My answer is that I am not. I am just standing up against a sociopath who is trying to use it, amplify it for their political agenda. Trying to take your emotionally comprimsed postion and sell you a snake oil to heal it. I'm not the bad guy.
@RapidCS: Seems you stopped reading at the part where I mentioned the criminalising effects of apartheid, and went straight into a rant after that.
I do NOT condone the ANC doing squat about the social problems in SA that underlie the crime problem, and I don't accept low standards or woolly logic.
@ Bennie.
Firstly there are not 20+k murders. There are 16 800.
The rape numbers are made up (chose that word carefully) by Rachel Jewkes and her feminazi cronies who consider a woman having sex while drinking alcohol as being raped.
I would fully support a volkstaat. It would be hilarious to see what Afrikaners do when they dn't have someone to do the actual work for them or anyone to blame for their shittiness.
Seriously, I have always supported a volkstaat. If you don't want us we don't want you. So who is going to work on your farms and collect your trash ? Whites ? And for what money are they going to be willing to do it ? Think things through you muppet.
Don't forget who is going to wash he dishes , mow the lawn, build the houses. What economy is going to sustain you ? You don't think any business you try and run with white only workers won't be priced out of the market by the chinese with cheap black labour who come into to fill the vacume you leave behind ? Going to mechanise your farms ? Where's the money going to come from ? Is it was feasible it would already be done. You don't think we going to give you anu mineral rich or highly arable part of the country do you ? Fuck off. You can have some shitty piece of nothing land. Build your own Israel seeing as that gets you lot so hard.
I really want you lot to learn a hard lesson and be given a volkstaat. It won't even be a mont and you will have banned freedom of speech, the internet, satelite tv and anything "un christian". It will be a living hell and a failure and surely in your heart you know it. A beor maak 'n kak plan.
Who do you think does all of these things in Australia and many other white countries? The whites collect teh garbage and wipe the streets.
You have some ignorant assumptions about white people.
We work harder than blacks, we are smarter and more commited to our professions.
Look around you, you can witness the fruits of our labour everywhere you look. The language that you are using, your computer, keyboard, monitor, mouse, the elctricty that powers it, the plastics and metals that it is made from. The browser that you are using, the web server that sends this information to your computer, over teh internet, the HTML, PHP ,Javascript code that is used to render this web page. The databases that store the articles and comments etc etc etc. And this is just what you have right in front of you.
You also(stupidly)assume that all work involves manual labour and that whites are incapable of manual labour.
Almost all the companies in the U.S and Europe have 90%+ white workers.
Whites have built some of the most succesful economies on the planet.
Blacks on the other hand have built absolutely fuckall of note.
So why do you assume(again) that blacks are the magical recipe when it comes to creating civilizations?
On the contrary, countries will be better off without ANY blacks. Their crime rates will drop dramatically and there will be a lot less welfare leeches.
Nobody else allows this on their SA blog so you might like to place it here. Watch the last half to see how South Africa is going to shit.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-july-5-2010/oliver---world-cup-2010--into-africa---the-amazing-racists
So uhm..., why don't you post my comment?
Oh I see...
So that there is only one perspective?
Namely yours
Don't get me wrong. The white male is a brilliant form of humanity and we did invent almost everything. But how are you going to compete with the chinese with their black work force without giving up Wednesday golf and Saturday braais while watching the rugby ? You can't. Careful what you ask for.
" It won't even be a mont and you will have banned freedom of speech, the internet, satelite tv and anything "un christian". It will be a living hell and a failure and surely in your heart you know it. A beor maak 'n kak plan."
Does everyone have to wear two tone shirts and wear veld skoene too? Are nightclubs allowed or is it back to sarie marais. Are women allowed to wear short dresses or is it back to kappie commando with long dresses?
What about brandy and coke - is drinking allowed or is it the work of satan? Who will be the leader of this place? Steve Hofmeyr or Leon Schuster. Looking at your video maybe Dr Dan Roodt?
Nobody will take this idea up.
So uhm..., why don't you post my comment?
Oh I see...
So that there is only one perspective?
Namely yours
21 February 2011
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Fuck you. I have never censored comments. I have nothing to hide. All your comments are posted.
Does everyone have to wear two tone shirts and wear veld skoene too? Are nightclubs allowed or is it back to sarie marais. Are women allowed to wear short dresses or is it back to kappie commando with long dresses?
What about brandy and coke - is drinking allowed or is it the work of satan? Who will be the leader of this place? Steve Hofmeyr or Leon Schuster. Looking at your video maybe Dr Dan Roodt?
Nobody will take this idea up
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Ha ha ha ha...but it will be fun to watch it unfold. Imagine when reality hits "die boere" smack in the face that being free of blacks means you have to do shit for yourselves. And without us "souties" and our "Evil technology" life isn't going to be utopia.
You guys should watch "the village". It's a good metaphor for the boer volkstaat.
This guy is going to reveal all tonight as to what was going on over the last 2 weeks on these blogs. He might be able to settle many of the questions everyone has.
Rendier Equality Gouws
BlogTV tonight at 10PM - GMT+2. Got alot to talk about :-)
http://www.blogtv.com/people/R3ndi3r
Lets see if you had been correct in your assumptions. We will know tonight who everyone is and how they are connected as apparently he got the police involved.
So now you are putting all Afrikaners in the same little box?
Ironic don't you think?
If you had met me you would not even know that I was Afrikaans.
I'm probably younger than you are,
my family members are all highly educated and so are most of my friends. Some even have doctorates and masters degrees...so your stereo-typical idea of what an Afrikaner is, is totally shot to shit.
Thinking that we are all old, bearded, fat bellied and dumb brandy drinkers who wear two tone shirts and veldskoene, shows me what an ignorant fool you are.
As for the "souties", I have many english friends, alot of whom I would trust with my life.
(I went to an english school for a couple of years)
These guys can stand "toe to toe" with any "boertjie", unlike these confused metro-sexual pussies in Joburg.
They would be welcomed with open arms into the volkstaat.
Many of the people who are fighting for the volkstaat(like myself) are in fact atheists, so that bursts another one of your bubbles.
A volkstaat would be an enclave for western culture on an otherwise backward and savage continent.
Do you know why the boers called the english south africans "soutpiele", (saltdicks)? It is because they always had one foot in England and one foot in South Africa, with their dicks hanging in the sea. It is still the same today with alot of you liberal english twats who have dual citizenship or ancestoral passports.
White people have been driven out of every other African country.
There is nowhere left to run for the white people who have called this their home for centuries.
So you better hope that these "dumb dutchmen" create a volkstaat, so that your family and friends(who cannot run back to england) have somewhere to run to when history repeats itself.
question 4 rooster : u like black poon or u just unable to score white poon?
Ok Benni (is that short for Benjamin), mister new world order. Afrikaners are all a highly educated and tolerant lot. And ths describes "volkstaaters".
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha !
question 4 rooster : u like black poon or u just unable to score white poon?
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Come now. You must have already seen the expose about me. Pussy falls on my lap.
Is your name really The Rooster?
Bennie is an alias idiot.
And wtf is with the "mister new world order" stuff?
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