Wednesday, 1 October 2008

South African rape in context.

If you left South Africa because as a white person you thought you would stand less chance of rape , I truly hope you did not go to Canada or Australia.

South Africa according to this chart has the highest rape in the world.

Australia is 3rd.

and Canada is 5th.

List of rapes per capita in the world.

You have a 0.04% less chance of getting raped if you live in these countries.

But if you're once again honest with yourself as a White South African you'd admit that Rape is extremely higher in the poor black community that ammongst the middle classes. If you even admit there are twice as many rapes in the poor community than the middle classed whitey community (and there are probably 50 times more) then you're admitting that you stand less chance of getting raped in South Africa.

Interesting huh ?

40 comments:

Anonymous said...

Stumbled onto your blog Rooster
OK, so I take your word for it and google "Rape in South Africa" and I get the following hit right on top -

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/444213

Very depressing place your peoples find yourself in! Glad I don't, or my kids live there.

Hensyn fra Norge

Anonymous said...

I've lurked this blog for a few days and will make this one comment and then never return.

Here's why.

At first, I thought this blog was good. It challenged the sensationalism of the media with insightful knowledge.

Then I came to realise that most of the comments are from whites that the owner of this blog, Rooster, fished from South Africa Sucks.

Rooster is obsessed with SASucks and Afrikaners and whites especially. He is also obsessed with the race card.

As an educated coloured person who strives for a better future in SA, I think this is very shameful that such a blog containing so much hatred and insults.

Rooster stoops to the same level as those racists he invites.

It's all "supposed" to be funny and in jest, but it isn't.

This Rooster aggressively fires down anyone who disagrees with him., even if what they say is valid. He'll always twist it to make himself right.

I had hopes for this blog. It's nothing more than a pool of mud.

I'm going to find another more informative and more balanced blog.

Bye for now.

The Rooster said...

As I said you have 0.04% more chance of getting raped in South Africa than Canada or Australia. That means if you took 1000 people from all three countries for every 2000 people only 1 more would be raoped in South Africa that Canada and Australia.

And frankly as a white South African your odds would be about 50 times lower than that.

The Rooster said...

Yes , I of course I grew this blog by winding up the idiots on S.A.S. I'd like to have more moderate readers (and slowly it is growing that way) but to be honest your average moderate south african doesn't spend his time posting or reading rubbish about crime in south africa on the net...it's mainly extremists and ex pats from S.A.S.

I am one man writing this stuff. I don't put as much effort as I could into it as I have a book to write that absorbs my better quality efforts...not to mention a job. If I can entertain some people some of the time and make others think some of the time and get just one guy down at the pub to call someone out for speaking shit...well....then I've done better than most.

You like it or don't like it that's fine. I started up a forum for people to present their opinions for others to debate but despite hundreds of readers a day there were hardly any takers...so for now this blog remains about me and whatever i decide pisses me off.

Anonymous said...

@ 08:44

Spot on. This site is all about how big Rooster's cock is.

The Rooster said...

But let me say I do not hate anyone based on their race or ethnicity. Certainly I seperate myself from that.

The Rooster said...

Ha ha ha. Nope, I have another site for that.

Anonymous said...

here's an idea... start SAS Sucks, since you're so obsessed with them.

The Rooster said...

This is already an S.A.S sucks site. They represent the type of South African (normally expat) who gets my back up. You see those links down my page ? They are all to moderate sites that promote the good news about South Africa. They have that niche covered. I'm not here to play nice. They speak shit and I call them on it. They show themselves to be out of touch and I call them on it. That's my little dynamic.

If you have something more interesting or moderate to offer let me know and I'll post it. Unless you do so then please use your right to not complain. I value having people who care enough to spend a little of their time to read my opinions and arguments , but I simply can't pander to what everyone wants ...

Anonymous said...

you weren't reading properly. I said start a SASucks Sucks site. Not a SA Sucks site.

The Rooster said...

No , no I understood what you meant. Read my response again.

Anonymous said...

@rooster: are you ever wrong about anything? that's the problem with this blog. you always have to prove that you're right about everything. you must clearly have an insecurity problem.

And another thing: SA is doing fine without your heroic attempts. SA will be here tomorrow, even with SA Sucks blogs and Afrikaners. You talk about sensationalism? YOU are far too sensational.

The Rooster said...

Jesus H christ. That's all i'm fucking saying !

S.a is doing fine. It doesn't need so called expat " whistle blowers" spreading lies and hyperbole chasing away investment and tourists. Thanks fuckwads...but no thanks. Fuck off back to your little economically crumbling western bore-holes you moved to and leave us South Africans the fuck alone.

The Rooster said...

anyway...im the words of Eric Cartman. Screw you guys...I'm going home.

I'll upload all the comments tomorrow , so don't worry...you're not being "censored".

Peace and love
rooster

Anonymous said...

@Rooster: websites aren't chasing away anyone. Are you so fucking stupid that you believe that investors will think twice after seeing a blog? And SA's tourism industry is booming, so clearly a few little websites with naughty pictures and words are making fuckall difference.

Don't be ridiculous. And if they have, prove it.

Stop being a sensationalist.

The Rooster said...

Bullshit, they are.

Go search the forums aimed at giving people information about travelling or moving to South Africa. go look at a youtube video about south africa (no matter what the subject matter is) and read the comments. Travel to another country and find out how the media portrays our country. Most people think south africa is a run down , war zone where you have to drive to work (if you can get any ) over dead bodies of people starving in the streets or have dided of aids , through a hail of bullets while being raped. There is so much bullshit being spread about South Africa that you get an entirely disported picture via the internet.

We all know how perfectly normal , wealthy , beautiful and nice life is in South Africa. We know if you are middle classed you can travel and live here without coming across any of this bullshit they insist is common place. I'm not for fellating the country as some kind of heaven...but i'm against people presenting it as if it's a hell hole.

I've travelled a lot in my life and let me tell you the opinion foriegners have of our country is so far disorted towards the negative it's insane. And it's south africans like those at S.a.S to blame for knowingly spreading this bullshit with their agenda to see the country fail.

Again ask yourself why it bothers you so much that south africa has as a worst case scenario the 9th most murders in the world ? Why would you feel better is the stats said we had the highest ?

Why ? You seem like a level headed kid. Think about it for a moment..what agitates you about the idea that the country is improving when it so clearly is ? Could it be the mythology and fearmongering have had more effect on you that you give them credit for ? Or are you just being a stubborn git because I called you some nasty names ?

Ego has nothing to do with it..the case is the case...


ps ; you're really scrapping the barrel with the homocide/murder thing........the rate at which people are killed by others is the murder rate ...or the homicide rate....whatever you called it it would not change the figures and stats...fine then..call it murder....south africa is number 9 for murder...or number 9 for homicide...anyway you look at it. comprehende ?

Anonymous said...

"Bullshit, they are."

I told you to prove it. Show me concrete evidence. Not hearsay or anecdotal opinion or "logical conclusions". You get a hard-on from your stats, so let's see some stats.



"Go search the forums aimed at giving people information about travelling or moving to South Africa. go look at a youtube video about south africa (no matter what the subject matter is) and read the comments."

I have done so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Ny5BYc-Fs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3PluNR5lXs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pUvCSAN0N0

Like you said, it didn't matter what the subject matter is. The videos and comments look great to me.


"Travel to another country and find out how the media portrays our country."

I've done so. I've been to 11 countries, and found that SA is well received. In the book stores, books on Mandela were hard to miss, and books on our wildlife was everywhere to be seen. Most people said they wanted to visit "beautiful South Africa".



"Most people think south africa is a run down , war zone where you have to drive to work (if you can get any ) over dead bodies of people starving in the streets or have dided of aids , through a hail of bullets while being raped. There is so much bullshit being spread about South Africa that you get an entirely disported picture via the internet."

Where in hell did you go to? I hope I never go to those places. In my extensive traveling, only the uneducated didn't know much about South Africa. And I've never in my life met anyone who thinks SA has bodies lying in the streets.


"Again ask yourself why it bothers you so much that south africa has as a worst case scenario the 9th most murders in the world ? Why would you feel better is the stats said we had the highest ?"

I don't know what you're talking about. You're not making any sense.


"what agitates you about the idea that the country is improving when it so clearly is ? Could it be the mythology and fearmongering have had more effect on you that you give them credit for ?"

Again, who are you talking to? When did I say anything like that? Try and make more sense, please.

Rooster, you really should stop being so sensational. Our investments are booming, our tourism is booming.

Anonymous said...

You have a 0.04% less chance of getting raped if you live in these countries.

But if you're once again honest with yourself as a White South African you'd admit that Rape is extremely higher in the poor black community that ammongst the middle classes.

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No doubt Jessica Foord will find this most re-assureing. She was a young 20 something white lady who was walking with her father and was attacked and gang raped by 5 black K4 savages.

Be sure to let her know how safe she is here won't you?

What a cunt.

The Rooster said...

No doubt Jessica Foord will find this most re-assureing. She was a young 20 something white lady who was walking with her father and was attacked and gang raped by 5 black K4 savages.

Be sure to let her know how safe she is here won't you?

What a cunt.

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Oh fuck off. I'm not going to let you try and project any of the blame of rape onto me. I can talk about rape statistics without being callous to the individual victims , so spare me the manipulative attempt at appealing to emotions rather than facts. I could bring up the names of some women wo were raped in Australia or Canada, would that mean your denialism means you spit on them ?

Fuck off with your post modern apologist bullshit.

Anonymous said...

Ummm fowl-fuck, best you check your figures. Australia has around 1200-1400 rapes reported per year. How many in your wonderful New South Africa? I believe around 60000-80000 with a rate of reporting of 25%, presumably because reporting is a waste of time and effort.
I may be an expat,and have never personally portrayed S A as a bad place to live, but your judgement and figures seem somewhat distorted, you need to face the truth.

The Rooster said...

They're not my figures dickwad. You people loved to post up these figures when they present S.A in a bad light , but when they increasingly show improvement in S.A then suddenly you all become skeptical. What the fuck is that about ?

The Rooster said...

0.7 out of 1000 Australians are raped.

1.1 oout of 1000 south africans.

For every 2000 people you will see 0.8 more rapes in South Africa than Australia.

Read it and fucking weep.

Anonymous said...

Ok fowl-fuck, explain this one:

Murders P/A

South Africa - 20000
Australia - 203

I assume by logic therefore, your chances of being murdered are 100 times greater in South Africa?

The Rooster said...

Can't you read ? There are 38 murders for every 100 000 people in South Africa.

In Australia there are 1.28.

So you have about 15 times less chance of getting murdered in Australia. But if you're a white South Africa you have only 4 times less chance (from a low baseline of almost no chance to begin with).

With you move to a country because you had less chance of dying in a car crash ? You are 20 times more likely to die in a car crash than be murdered in South Africa.

We're talking about the difference between almost no chance at all and...well....almost no chance at all.
But really...if you can't handle or assimulate that then fuck off to Australia. I'll even drive you to the airport. Good riddance.

Anonymous said...

"o you have about 15 times less chance of getting murdered in Australia. But if you're a white South Africa you have only 4 times less chance (from a low baseline of almost no chance to begin with). "

- Why are you obsessed with skin colour?

"But if you're a white South Africa you have only 4 times less chance"

- Please provide concrete evidence for this "4 times" figure. No hearsay or logic. Scientific evidence. Because, as usual, you're watering down the stats again.

Rooster, you live a in a bubble. You seem to ignorantly believe that "most of the world" believes that we live in a shithole. I'm not sure where you've been, but you've obviously been to very uneducated places. In all my travels, I've never experienced that kind of talk. Everyone I've ever met hopes to visit SA, and think it's an incredible place.

Like someone else said, SA's tourism and investments are booming. You're a bit too sensational.

Anonymous said...

A woman in SA gets gang raped by five K4s...Is that One rape or Five? How does the police statistics work Rooster?

The Rooster said...

I don't fucking know what a gang rape counts as. Not to make light of the problem but women being dragged off into the bushes are a tiny proportion of rapes in South Africa. Most of what is classified as rape is the type of drunk "no means yes" confusion type bullshit. It;'s not gangs of men sneaking around in dark alleys you neurotic fuck.

Anonymous said...

Rooster reverting to namecalling means he lost the argument. What a Mango!

Anonymous said...

"Most of what is classified as rape is the type of drunk "no means yes" confusion type bullshit"

According to dictionary.com, rape is:

1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.


That doesn't sound like what you've sweepingly described. In fact, yours is a sweeping "factual" statement based on what grounds? Please cite a credible source to back up your claim.

Otherwise be quiet.

The Rooster said...

So then is the majority of rape in Australia and Canada (number 3 and 5 i thw world) due to gangs of men running around dragging women into dark corners ?

fucking bullshit.

The actual legal definition of rape is not the one the feminists who produce the statistics use....rape can simply be a woman have consexual sex when drunk and deciding the next day she feels ashamed....or a woman having consentual sex with her husband even though she's not entirely in the mood. You clearly know fuck all about the issue.

I'm not playing down the seriousness of rape...i'm playing down the idea that 1 out of 1000 people ate being dragged in to a bush by a gang of violent men...fuck off...that's just insanely neurotic and fucking dumb.

Anonymous said...

Rooster

Could it be, and I'm just spit-ballng here, that the rape figures in South Africa are grossly under-reported - making your lame statistical analysis null and void?

Could it also be that the rapes in South Africa are seldom investigated or brought to trial because of of a FUCKING USELESS police force?

Could THESE be the real reason behind your claim that crime has dropped since 1994 - becuase the police are so corrupt and incompetant that a vast majority of rape victims could not be bothered to report the incicent?

Ditto for murders and other crimes.

Statistics can prove anything you want them to - specifically when the sources of these statistics are dogy - and in your case - unsubstantiated by quoting sources.

The Rooster said...

Jesus Fuck....Rapes could under-reported anywhere and probabaably are far more underrep[orted in latin american, africa and South East asia where they make out police seem like superheroes in comparisson.... with that taken into consideration we're still number one for rapes....but that's not good enough for you...? not enough fucking trauma for you is it ?

Blood more blood ! You want the blood to flow down the streets !

come on..come out and just say it !


you sick fucks.

the_weasel said...

If you notice that these are reported rape cases only. I'm sure the middle Eastern countries listed at the bottom have higher rape incidents than reported. Don't they stone the rapists to death? We should have that. Rapist stone day every Thursday afternoon. Keep the jails less crowded.

These stats seem very low. But FYI if you check the link: (Let me break it down for you)
SA is 1.19538 rapes per 1,000 people

and Oz is 0.777999 rapes per 1,000 people

Now I know, Roosta, that you are mathematically disabled and incapable of doing basic calculations.

So I'll do it for you:

See... 0.777999 x 2 = 1.555998
Lets round it off to 1.6 rapes per 2000 people for Oz.

Hence, SA has approximately DOUBLE the rape rate (0.59769 rapes per 500 people) of any other country listed there.

So it's TWICE as likely to happen in SA than in Oz.

New Zealand only has 0.213383 rapes per 1,000 people... that's like ZERO rapes, or for argument's sake 1 rape per 1000 people. Seems they mainly focus on sheep there.

So it's FIVE TIMES as likely to happen in SA than in New Zealand.

Will any of your bullshit change my mind to stay here after I get my PhD?

An EMPHATIC HELL NO

Anonymous said...

"So then is the majority of rape in Australia and Canada (number 3 and 5 i thw world) due to gangs of men running around dragging women into dark corners ?

fucking bullshit.

The actual legal definition of rape is not the one the feminists who produce the statistics use....rape can simply be a woman have consexual sex when drunk and deciding the next day she feels ashamed....or a woman having consentual sex with her husband even though she's not entirely in the mood. You clearly know fuck all about the issue."

Rooster, you still haven't provided a single source for your claims. Stop trying to explain stuff with "logic" and "reasoning", which are subjective anyway.

I don't want to see blood, my friend. Stop generalising me into "you sick fucks", you stupid cunt.

I simply want to see scientific evidence to support your statements.

Otherwise, again, shut the fuck up.

Anonymous said...

Lets have a look at rooster's statements of fact.

"And frankly as a white South African your odds would be about 50 times lower than that."

- has rooster provided any evidence or sources? no. fail.

"It doesn't need so called expat " whistle blowers" spreading lies and hyperbole chasing away investment and tourists. "

- rooster has banged on this drum a fwe times. he insists that a few blogs with naughty words drive away investors and tourists, even though SA has a booming tourism and investment economy. Rooster has given no evidence or sources support his claims. fail.

"But if you're a white South Africa you have only 4 times less chance (from a low baseline of almost no chance to begin with). "

- no evidence or sources to begin with. obsessed with race. fail.

"Not to make light of the problem but women being dragged off into the bushes are a tiny proportion of rapes in South Africa."

- no one said that. YOU did. The definition of rape is an act of crime, usually violent (as defined), one that is sex without consent.

"So then is the majority of rape in Australia and Canada (number 3 and 5 i thw world) due to gangs of men running around dragging women into dark corners ?"

- why are you obsessed with that analogy. nobody said it but you.

"The actual legal definition of rape is not the one the feminists who produce the statistics use....rape can simply be a woman have consexual sex when drunk and deciding the next day she feels ashamed....or a woman having consentual sex with her husband even though she's not entirely in the mood. You clearly know fuck all about the issue."

- please prove this. lets see sources and hard evidence.

Rooster, you're a bit too sensational. you make up your own world of information, based on subjective "logic" but with little to no facts. Nobody wants to see blood. That's sick of you to even imply that. but when you make silly statements of fact, with no grounds of evidence, then I say BULLSHIT.

The Rooster said...

The weasal...i like how you capatilise the word "Double" instead of the the word "almost" ...clever....might fool someone stupid.

1.6 rapes for 2000 people in OZ
2.2 rapes for 2000 people in S.A

That's half a extra person raped per 2000 people.

Not double you twat.

The Rooster said...

"And frankly as a white South African your odds would be about 50 times lower than that."

- has rooster provided any evidence or sources? no. fail.

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Do I need to cite refrences when I make a speculation ? Fuck off.

Using your own experience ...what do you suggest the ratio is then ?
The same goes for my speculation about how "rape" happens...do you suggest that rape is mostly about groups of men conspiring and sneaking around dark alleys to pull women into ?

Do you really see the world and the people of the country like that ? Do you really project onto men the desire to come together and talk about doing such a thing ? You're fucking dehumising my entire people by taking some freakish exception and inplying it's common place. That's the fucking difference. If you want to make that statment it's your prerogative to show me evidence.

Jesus...and you wondre why I call you a sick fuck ?

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rooster has banged on this drum a fwe times. he insists that a few blogs with naughty words drive away investors and tourists, even though SA has a booming tourism and investment economy. Rooster has given no evidence or sources support his claims. fail.

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I'll link you to the governments estimates that in the past few years we've lost up to 27 million tourists due to unfounded fears and perceptions that they stand a high chance of getting murdered (when in fact south africa has a very good tourist safety record).

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regarding the definition of rape...go and do a search for how rape statistics are formed and what definitions are used in surveys to determine is women were "raped" to make these sensationalistic feminst claims about 1 in X women will be raped in their lifetime etc. .....it's all bullshit and well documented.If the definition was extended to mn I'd be raped pretty fuck every weekend (because i've been known from time to time to get drunk and have sex).

I'm sorry buddy but i'm from time to time going to make claims that I feel are obvious enough to not require citing resources...shout until your lungs bleed and it won't make me change to pander to your anal retentive tendencies..


Right..with that said It's friday....dump your silly responses on me and i'll respond tomorrow or tonight..

Anonymous said...

"do you suggest that rape is mostly about groups of men conspiring and sneaking around dark alleys to pull women into ? "

I do not suggest that. YOU keep suggesting it. You're the only one using that same example over and over and fucking over again.

According to you, rape is having sex when you're drunk.

How embarrassing. I'm off to find a more intelligent blog.

Anonymous said...

"Do I need to cite refrences when I make a speculation"

- Yes. Especially when you state them as if they're facts. Otherwise you won't be taken seriously. And let's be honest, anyone who has no balls to reveal his identity and goes by the dumb name of "the rooster" can not be taken seriously.

No matter how much you water down the severity of rape, ir is a violent act of crime. The majority of girls DO NOT fucking wake up one morning and think "oh, I'm going to accuse that guy of raping me".

You fucking disgusting sicko cunt, Rooster. You're a fucking sexist and you're fucking filthy. I hope you fucking get molested in a gentle way that can be argued using "stats" and "reasoning".

Cunt.

Anonymous said...

Listen up Fowl-fuck. As demonstrated by a few intelligent responses, your statistics are not correct. That aside, security is a basic human right, whether it be avoiding death as a result of murder, or the chances of being killed by a drunk politician behind the wheel of his oversized Mercedes. I concede that certain expats are rather vocal in their condemnation of the country, probably out of frustration for the lack of progress in the land of their birth. However, you are postulating a "head in the sand" attitude to the violent crime, and violent nature of the population in South Africa. As with everything, admitting there is a problem is the first step in solving it. Thanks for the offer of the lift to the airport, you missed it by 6 months, for me I no longer wish to be part of the solution or the problem.