Good morning ladies , gentlemen and ubermensch.
A poster (Packed for Perth) challenged me to name on country with a successful black government. I found the question a little strange coming from a South African as he’s clearly not been looking very hard because South Africa itself has had a fantastically successful black government.
In everyday changes since being elected into power the A.N.C has built houses and given access to water and electricity to 10 million people. Despite constant whinging to the contrary they’ve reduced crime by around 20 %. They’ve installed the most liberal and freedom celebrating constitution in the world and despite having the right to do so in number , they have ever changed it.
Economically the economy has boomed so much that South Africa produces the 4th most new millionaires per capita in the world and is recognised as one of the foremost emerging economies. I’m still constantly amazed every time I come back at all the new infrastructure , projects and money being injected into the communities around me , even now when the rest of the world is in economic slow down. In the circles I move I’ve noticed everyone has money to burn and seem highly optimistic about their business prospects. South Africa has for a prolonged period now enjoyed steep economic growth which equals job creation and enrichment which in turn equals less crime and socio economical disruption. The government has reported record tax takings and turned it into public works programmes and hand outs putting a lot of people into work in turn filtering that cash back into the economy and stimulating small business.
Educationally we’ve increased the literacy and matriculation rate by great margins. Built countless new school and integrated black students into the excellent white schools which have exited the schools systems to join the new black middle class of educated professionals. For this reason socially it’s common place to see white and black people getting on perfectly naturally in the younger generations without the idiotic prejudices that plague those of us who remember the dark days before the A.N.C.
Yes with all of this amazing positive stuff happening right under their noses, some people still have the bizarre notion that the country is actually degenerating. No offence but what the F#ck are you on about ?
The people expressing this opinion either must not be in the country or have any clue how well things are going here (often the case) or are the tiny white few that used to enjoy cushy privilege and government protection without the necessary brains or skills to go it alone. Far too often we find those to be Afrikaans people , who let’s be honest , have placed a little too much emphasis on drinking brandy and perhaps not enough on education. With this culture of blissful ignorance it’s doesn’t require a government conspiracy to explain why they are failing as a people.
Nope. You need look no further than South Africa for a brilliant example of an extremely successful government , run by an extremely intelligent and capable President.
PS : One thing I have been myself negative of I Jacob Zuma. However the news on the ground (down at the pub ) amongst my white friends is that in fact they think he’ll be an excellent president. In the language of the nazi redecks who frequent this site…Who’d u think it ?
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I do not know about all that now. There are serious issues of poverty alleviation and service delivery in many townships. Many black people have been protesting over past few years. I agree with you that other sites often blow crime out of proportion, but on ANC governing, I do not know. Look at criticisms by people like Patrick Bond, a UKZN professor, or Anti-Privatization Forum or even COSATU.
It's africa. Let's start there and keep some perspective. I think they've done just about as good a job as possible considering.
You're right about the ANC! True heroes! They've done almost as good a job as the ZANU-PF!
Of course, Mugabe's had the advantage of many more years in power - but I'm confident Zuma can close the gap!
I watched the start of the rugby last night and loved how the South Africans stood in the crowd and how they were so proud. Seems like SA is a great place and not as bad as the idiots on other sites make it out to be.
@ Rooster...
You said: "It's africa...I think they've done just about as good a job as possible considering."
Considering what? Their incompetence? The fact that they have to overcome their natural quest for greed, corruption and power? Or considering that it could have been worse?
Fuck you... consider that
Anonymous - 00:18 - what incompetence? Can you give a concrete example? I can understand and sympathize with many of the criticisms of specific policies of ANC government, but what incompetence? As for greed, and corruption those are serious problems, but from my discussions with black South Africans and even a small handful of whites it seems these were problems which existed under apartheid also. The difference now is these things come out in the open and the justice system deals with it. I know there is a controversy with the Scorpions which I do not fully understand, therefore I will not comment on that. I will say that it seems so far the government holds no person above the rule of law and I hope it stays that way in SA.
I've been too busy "holidaying" to write much. I'll start updating tomorrow again. Sorry folks (and volks).
Greg Said: Anonymous - 00:18 - what incompetence? Can you give a concrete example?
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1. Incompetance to deal with crime.
2. Incompetance to run an electrical power supply.
3. Incompetance to run an efficient Home Office (Dept of Home Affairs)
4. Incompetance to run a Public Health Department and doom millions of citizens to death by AIDS. (Dept of Health).
That's 4 just off the top of my head. Wipe the shit out of your eyes arsehole.
The Boers NEVER ran South Africa as they were MARGINALIZED within it by the Cape based Afrikaners [1] who DID run South Africa initially on behalf of Britain when they were recruited to be the surrogate colonial rulers of the state the British created. The National Party was run by the Cape based Afrikaners who dominated over the Boer people - therefore blaming the Boers for how South Africa was run (a state they never wanted & fought wars against its formation) is rather like blaming the Scots for how Britain in run.
1. Yolandi Groenewald. Bang bang – you’re dead. Mail & Guardian. March 9 2007.
Quote: [ Pretorius, who is also the founder of new right-wing organisation or “Boer party” the Boerevolk Freedom Foundation, believes the Afrikaner oppressed the Boer nation as well and robbed them of their proud heritage.
“The Boerevolk never oppressed anyone,” he says. “We might have benefited from apartheid, but we were never the people who governed this country and made all those mistakes. Those were the Afrikaners.
“When diamonds and gold were discovered in the old ZAR republic, lots of these Afrikaners from the Cape, who never participated in the war, came up to the old republic to find their fortune. But what they didn’t bargain on was being called up for military service. Sadly, these people were the first to be turncoats, Hanskakies, verraaiers [traitors]. They absconded at the first opportunity.”
When the war ended, Pretorius says, these turncoats also shared in its spoils. They weren’t impoverished while the Boer soldiers who returned home had nothing left.
“These people were so impoverished, they were unable to participate in the politics of the day successfully and when the union of South Africa was formed in 1910, the Afrikaners from the Cape received most of the power.”
In 1914, when Boere rebels turned against the Jan Smuts government and refused to fight in World War I, they were mistakenly labelled as Afrikaner rebels, Pretorius says.
He says the Boerevolk was further sidelined during the Hertzog administration. But, in 1938, the big Groot Trek celebrations took place at the Voortrekker Monument and Boer patriotism took hold of the volk.
“But Afrikaners like DF Malan hijacked the Boer patriotism and used it to establish Afrikaner nationalism. With one shot, the Boerevolk was robbed of their identity.”
Pretorius says the Ossewa Brandwag that was established shortly afterward, just before World War II broke out, was again Boerevolk identity coming to the fore. But after Malan took control in 1948, it was nationalist ideals all the way. But, he says, since the Eighties, Boere have been rediscovering their identity and their sense of where they belong in the country -- even more so since 1994. ]
The Boers are only about 1.5 million out of the total 3.5 million White Afrikaans population.
How exactly did D. F. Malan "hijack" Boer patriotism? And if the NP were merely "surrogate rulers" for Britain, that is essentially what you said Ron, why did Verwoerd pull South Africa out of the British Commonwealth in 1961? I think your analysis is simplistic, of course there were always and still are economic ties between Britain and South Africa. Look at Anglo-Americans, which is based in both UK and SA and which still controls as I understand Anglo-Ashanti. However, this does not mean that SA has merely been a surrogate for the British.
D F Malan did more than just hijack Boer Patriotism as noted in the article as what he did was to help subjugate the Boer people as well. The most notable example of his hijacking of Boer patriotism was during the Centennial commemorations of the Great Trek & the inauguration of the Voortrekker Monument. He & his Broederbond backed political party stole the inheritance of the Boers -as noted also by Theuns Cloete of Boervolk Radio during an interview with an American shortwave / internet radio program- & removed the identity (publicly at least) of the Boers. The dialect of Afrikaans spoken by the Boers had been removed from Parliament since 1923.
The Cape based Afrikaners (an artificial term imposed onto all Afrikaans speakers in the name of subjugating the Boers & making them submit to the larger Cape Dutch) were the ones who were recruited as the surrogate Colonial power in the region - but the National Party was simply an overtly anti-British successor but still Cape based.
Verwoerd did not take South Africa out of the Commonwealth. He tried to stay in it but South Africa was kicked out of the Commonwealth when he turned South Africa into a nominal republic in 1961: A nominal republic because it was only a republic in name only as the State still acted as a neo Colonial structure & the main reason why Verwoerd even turned the Union into a Republics was due to the fact that the Boers were clamoring for the restoration of their republics starting during the 1940s. The National Party regime did not want a re run of the 1914 Maritz Rebellion -when Boer Generals attempted to restore the Boer Republics by force of arms- so they cleverly decided to stymie the Boers by declaring the entire Union a Republic.
The State of South Africa HAS ALWAYS BEEN RUN by surrogate Colonial regimes acting on behalf of Britain. This is why the state was even created in the first place. Recall that the State of South Africa is nothing more than the direct result of British legislation - the South Africa Act of 1909 which lumped the various nations & Kingdoms under a single centralized administration.
The British went through a lot of trouble & committed war crimes against the Boer people killing close to 50 % of the Boer child population in the concentration camps in order to establish their macro State of South Africa: therefore I doubt that they would ever just walk away & let any local regime become too independent from their control.
All one has to do is witness how well the current surrogate Colonial regime: the ANC is living up to its mandate of bringing the area back into the fold of British interests & making the region safe for British banking / financial interests & also of allowing crime to go unchecked as part of a system of driving unsanctioned independent interests from flourishing.
There is nothing "simplistic" about this "analysis" as there are significant political intrigues at work not the least of which is the British control of a state they created in the first place against the will of most of the population.
AIDS? Hahaha - prove that it. AIDS is overblown - do you rockspiders have nay idea how hard it is to get AIDS?
I thought Verwoerd withdrew from the Commonwealth just before SA would have been kicked out at insistence of Britain's former colonies who found apartheid abhorrent. Also, wasn't British Prime Minister's "winds of change" speech to South Africa's parliament in 1960 the spark that pushed Verwoerd to declare SA a republic in the first place?
The country is doing great.It's only doing badly in the eyes of the ridiculously cynical and paranoid , or those who only want to see the bad side (because of their racial "sensibilities") ...almost everything s better now than it was before apartheid if one looks at the bigger picture.
Rooster. You're delusional man! That's why I think you're white, 'cause you can't really believe the shit you're spouting! Not funny man..
No. You're the delusional one. You under the spell of fear that's being cast by the sensationalstic media. I only live here half the time so I get to see it from the outside looking in. It's crazy. South Africa is a perfectly safe and wonderful country to live in for a middle classed person.
And if you're poor...hey...lifes shitty everywhere for the poor.
Greg: Similar to how Nixon resigned just before he was about to be impeached & removed from office. It's always better to resign from something when one knows that being kicked out of it is imminent. The winds of change speech was probably the straw that broke the camel's back towards the direction of declaring a republic - but there were other factors not least of was a strong republican sentiment among some Afrikaans speakers particularly those of Boer descent.
You're delusional, funny, but seriously delusional. Get your facts straight son. Then maybe we can take you seriously.
Who is delusional, regarding what? Care to "enlighten" us?
Thanks...I am pretty funny.
From Wikipedia
HIV/AIDS
Main article: HIV/AIDS in South Africa
The spread of AIDS (acquired immuno-deficiency syndrome) is an alarming problem in South Africa with up to 31% of pregnant women found to be HIV infected in 2005 and the infection rate among adults estimated at 20%.[73] The link between HIV, a virus spread primarily by sexual contact, and AIDS has long been denied by the president and the health minister, who have insisted that the many deaths in the country are due to malnutrition, and hence poverty, and not HIV.[74] Recently, in 2007, the government made efforts to fight AIDS.[75]
AIDS affects mainly those who are sexually active and is far more prevalent in the black population. Most deaths are people who are also economically active, resulting in many families losing their primary wage earners. This has resulted in many 'AIDS orphans' who in many cases depend on the state for care and financial support.[76] It is estimated that there are 1,200,000 orphans in South Africa.[76] Many elderly people also lose the support from lost younger members of their family. Roughly 5 million people are infected with the disease.[77]
Crime
Main article: Crime in South Africa
According to a survey for the period 1998–2000 compiled by the United Nations, South Africa was ranked second for assault and murder (by all means) per capita, in addition to being ranked first for rapes per capita.[78] Total crime per capita is tenth (10th) out of the sixty (60) countries in the data set.
Crime has had a pronounced effect on society: many middle-class South Africans moved into gated communities, abandoning the central business districts of some cities for the relative security of suburbs. This effect is most pronounced in Johannesburg, although the trend is noticeable in other cities as well.[citation needed] Many emigrants from South Africa also state that crime was a big motivator for them to leave. Crime against the farming community has continued to be a major problem.[79]
Skills migration
Along with many African nations, South Africa has been experiencing a "brain drain" in the past 20 years. This is believed to be potentially damaging for the regional economy[80], and is almost certainly detrimental for the well-being of the majority of people reliant on the healthcare infrastructure, given the HIV/AIDS epidemic.[81] The skills drain in South Africa tends to demonstrate racial contours (naturally given the skills distribution legacy of South Africa) and has thus resulted in large white South African communities abroad.[82]
south africa is a great place to live and bring up children. The only dumb people are the boers who used to work for the gov in the post office, tax office, home affairs, defence etc. it was like pay for no work. Now that the blacks with education have taken their jobs they are very upset. Get an education and you might get a job.
KOOS
You're right about the ANC! True heroes!
Proudly South African
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Google:
Crime, Murder, Rape, Farm Genocide, South Africa
Makes you think doesn’t it????????????????
ARREST MBEKI
R30 MILLION BRIBE.
When are they going to ARREST MBEKI for BRIBERY FRAUD AND CORRUPTION?
Stand Trial with ZUMA.
ANC GOVERNMENT CORRUPT THROUGH AND THROUGH.
That’s why they want to Close Down The Scorpions.
The ANC THIEVES do NOT want to be investigated.
ARREST THE ANC THIEVES.
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