Tuesday, 19 April 2011

So it's over. I win.

During the julius Malema trial an expert from the T.A.U was called up. He presented the official number of farm murders that he was willing to put towards a court of law of farm murders since 1990. Around 1000.

So that the final nail in the coffin for the "over 3000 farmers murders since 1994 " brigade of loons It's closer to 1000 since 1990 and he never specified the race of ethnicity of the farmers. 50 a year. Out of around at the very least  +200 000 people (but probably closer to 350 000). Or 25 per 100 000. Much less than the black murder rate and 4 times lower that the coloured murder rate, but  twice as high as the average white male murder rate (which is 6 times higher than the white female murder rate.)

Result ? NOT GENOCIDE IN ANYWAY AT ALL

And here ends this mornings lesson and pwnage. 

I warned you fucks. You pushed and pushed and tried to be the centre of attention. But as soon as you got your way you are having your faced shoved in your own bogus poo. You never had a cause for complaint relative to other South Africans. No wonder the Afrikaners are considered the white tribe of Africa. You sure as hell wear that chip on your shoulder and carry that massive victim card as well as the rest of them.

50 comments:

Dachshund said...

I wish these people who emigrate would shut the hell up. Since Uhuru Guru sailed off into the sunset for the tax free, equal opportunity heaven of the UK, he's escalated the war of pestering the hell out of me. This has extended to including my husband, to whom he sends sms messages along the lines of, "When you next kiss your wife, stop to smell my cum on her breath." This with a UK number clearly visible. To me he sends such endearments as, "Kiss my Boer cock, bitch."

Now if life is so wonderful in the UK, and if Bertie sees fit to display his wife on the front page of the Chorley Guardian, why does he pester me with these erotomaniacal outbursts? I don't care who wants to emigrate to the UK, but if and when you do, don't call home.

Dachshund said...

And here is a link to the tosser's photo, so we can all see what he looks like:

http://stalkersoftheinternet.blogspot.com/2011/04/stalker-number-1-bert-oosthuizen.html

The Rooster said...

That Uhuru Guru. Classy.

Dachshund said...

Oh yes, every bit the SWG, Sophisticated White Gentleman.

Ian said...

TUA or TAU?

Ian said...

Did the expert from TUA supply stats for the whole of ZA or just a specific area/province?

Ian said...

out of around 200K or more likely 350k... what are you referring to?

It is obvious that the 1000+ murdered farmers are white since we are talking about killing boers.

50 farmers murdered a year. Almost one a week. It definitively seems like isolated cases as you have always maintained.

And sir how would you explain that white commercial farmers are down from 120,000 in 1994 to 37,000 in 2011?

The Rooster said...

And sir how would you explain that white commercial farmers are down from 120,000 in 1994 to 37,000 in 2011?

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What fucking hole did you pull that from ? Be more skeptikal you fucking asshat piece of nothing. There are still over 250 000 whte commerical farmers in South Afica.

The Rooster said...

T.A.U. And yes, the wholew of South Africa. Censor bugbear can suck it.

Ian said...

Sir, you win, but before we can award you with the coveted prize of "moron of the century" (currently malema's) would you care to explain why the farmers are tortured before they get murdered? Would you care to explain why very little or nothing is stolen during these common robberies?

And finally would you care to explain why was it necessary to execute 3 year old Willemien Potgieter during one of these common farm robberies?

Ian said...

Sir

I guess "KILL THE BOER, KILL THE FARMER" is just an innocent nighttime song to lull into sleep our children.

I guess 3-year-old Willemien Potgieter (and a 1000 plus like her) was just a collateral in the ANC's fight for freedom.

Sir, YOU WIN.

May God fill your heart with gladness to cheer you.
May the smile of God light you to glory.
May God hold you in the palm of His hand.

Ian said...

...BTW
Sir

I just heard there was a murder of an entire farming family from De Aar, in the Northern Cape; just another isolated case I guess...
All shot in the head including the two daughters aged six and eight.

maybe it was murder/suicide.

The Rooster said...

Using the death of a child to scaremonger and present your ugly agenda ? Sies man !

The Rooster said...

WAT 'N FOCKKEN POES !

Ian said...

Using the death of a child to scaremonger and present your ugly agenda ? Sies man !

Sir

where is your humor gone? Why are you getting all worked up? What agenda are you talking about? What scaremongering?
My comments are "tongue in cheek". Do you really think I believe there is a genocide of Afrikaners going on? Amazingly, not yet!
I am actually convinced that behind the farm murders are the Afrikaners themselves; they want to create tension between black and whites in order to cause a civil war and then keep all the reserves of brandy for themselves once they have beaten the s#it out of the k@ffirs; but we all know it is never going to happen, don't we? They are all too busy sitting around drinking brandy and coke...
Why are you so concerned about one or two of them making a noise about some stupid song and a couple of farm murders?
Seriously dude I'm starting to believe you have some personal issues (agenda) against the Afrikaners...

Peace, biltong and boerewors, boet !

Dachshund said...

OK, let's see this "farm murder" story at De Aar. (Someone's messing around with my blogger access, I wonder who that could be.)

“It is suspected that all four persons were killed with the revolver found in the bakkie.”

It's that good old Afrikaner remedy when life doesn't go quite as planned:

FAMILY MURDER.

Fuck you, "Ian".

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Family of four killed on farm

April 18 2011 at 05:05pm
IOL news farm killing 001

Independent Newspapers

A "well-known" farming family from De Aar, in the Northern Cape, was found shot dead in a bakkie on a gravel road. Photo: Independent Newspapers.

A “well-known” farming family from De Aar, in the Northern Cape, was found shot dead in a bakkie on a gravel road on Monday morning, said police.

“One of the employees on the farm came across the bakkie just after 6am this morning, about one kilometre from the farm,” said Lieutenant-Colonel Hendrik Swart.

He noticed that the farmer was sitting behind the wheel of the bakkie and that he was not responding.”

Swart said the farmer, 58, his wife, 39, and their two daughters, aged eight and six, had been shot dead. Their names were being withheld as they had not yet been formally identified.

“The employee then went to the brother of the farmer on an adjacent farm and informed him,” said Swart.

The farmer's brother phoned the police in De Aar, who arrived at the scene a short while later.

Police opened the bakkie to find “a lot of jackals” scavenging on the front passenger seat.

When the animals had been removed, the police discovered the two girls. Both had “wounds” to the head.

The farmer, who was in the driver's seat, also had a wound to the head. A .357 revolver was found on his lap.

The body of the farmer's wife was found under a pile of clothes in the bakkie's loading bin. She too had a wound to the head.

“It is suspected that all four persons were killed with the revolver found in the bakkie,” Swart said.

Post mortems would take place in Kimberley this week. -

Sapa

http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/family-of-four-killed-on-farm-1.1058367

Ian said...

@ the bitch (in dog terms, of course)

if you read one of my previous comments I mentioned it could be a murder/suicide...

so what's all the fuss, bitch?

and fuck you too, "dachshund"

The Rooster said...

Ian the death of anyone is not a cause for humour. Not to me anyway.

You two please settle down with the "fuck yous". I'm used to people talking that way to me on this blog but I'm not sure i want people dragging things down to that level ALL the time.

Dachshund said...

Now we just need a Boer to comment that this farmer in the Cape was not a Boer but a Cape Afrikaner so what he did doesn't reflect on Boers.

Shooting your wife and two little kids is the vilest form of murder. However, it's not restricted to people who live in the Cape. It's part of the patriarchal Boer/Afrikaner way of thinking.

Ian said...

You two please settle down with the "fuck yous"

ha,ha. I laughed (WAT 'N FôCKKEN PôES...)

I see you got your humor back.

@ bitch D

Shooting your wife and two little kids is the vilest form of murder

I totally agree...

However, it's not restricted to people who live in the Cape. It's part of the patriarchal Boer/Afrikaner way of thinking.

totally unsupported bullshit.

Do you also have issues with the Afrikaners/Boers like your feathered friend?

You two make a nice couple of morons

The Rooster said...

No you cuntplasm. I have issues with divisive people who as an ideal hold the stupid idea that in a multicultural society like South Africa we are going to get anywhere by being asshole to each other. Black, white or luminous pink.

Dachshund said...

It turns out that the woman in the De Aar family murder was desperately ill. But do you need to wipe out your children if you're dying? How could the husband agree to be an accessory?

http://afrikaans.news24.com/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Gesinsmoord-Meer-vrae-as-antwoorde-20110421

Ian said...

I have issues with divisive people who as an ideal hold the stupid idea that in a multicultural society like South Africa we are going to get anywhere by being asshole to each other. Black, white or luminous pink.

Well, mate, the sooner you catch a wake up the better. Are you so bloody stupid to believe that there is even a tiny possibility of unifying this shit-hole? Boy, you are one big delusional douche. Do you live on planet earth?
Wake the fuck up!

Dachshund said...

Aren't you just one big black hole of whining misery.

The Rooster said...

Well, mate, the sooner you catch a wake up the better. Are you so bloody stupid to believe that there is even a tiny possibility of unifying this shit-hole? Boy, you are one big delusional douche. Do you live on planet earth?
Wake the fuck up!

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Man why don't you just fuck off out the country and do us all a favour ?

Dachshund said...

Then he'll whine about SA from the UK.

Ian said...

Aren't you just one big black hole of whining misery.

Are you talking to me?

Ian said...

Man why don't you just fuck off out the country and do us all a favour ?

Why should I do you a favor? Why don't you piss off instead?

Dachshund said...

Notice how this "Ian" character (he's an Afrikaner called Sakkie or Bertie of course) likes to hammer on about non-Afrikaners having issues about Afrikaners as if it's an outrage to say we don't like them?

These Afrikaners who had affirmative action behind them all the way and had cushy jobs in government as opposed to English speaking whites who worked in the private sector. The Afrikaners lived off the taxes that English speakers and indirectly, blacks, generated so that they could call the shots and detain and murder anyone who cared to object. The Afrikaners that legislated apartheid and caused all the shit in the first place.

You expect us to LIKE you?

Incidentally I don't care whether you call yourself a Boer or an Afrikaner, the one is just as stupid as the other.

Ian said...

Notice how this "Ian" character (he's an Afrikaner called Sakkie or Bertie of course) likes to hammer on about non-Afrikaners... blah, blah, blah

Far off the mark, my dear. I'm actually not even a saffa! I just find it ironical that you and your "feathered" (btw, what's this penchant for animals?) friend support multiculturalism but hate so much the Boer/Afrikaners; all your arguments/counter-arguments are based on ridiculing the Afrikaners and their culture;
what a frustrated pair of arrogant self-righteous people your are;
Get a life, losers!

Peace, biltong and boerewors!

Over and out

Dachshund said...

@Ian: if you're not a Saffa and you hate it so much here, then what are you doing here?

Anonymous said...

[Part 1 of 11] from Boertjie

Greetings Rooster

Firstly, apologies for the tsunami of text. Have you ever had a mountain of stuff to say and you couldn't say one thing and leave the rest for another occasion? Well, this is the case with me here. As you may probably notice, I kind of have a problem switching off my brain at times...Here's hoping you get through my whole comment. :-)

Firstly, the comments under this post up til now...I'm sure you noticed some stuff, but do you have any idea as to how much is said in so little words? And (somewhat disturbingly for me) how funny the discussion actually is? I'll try my best to explain this by doing an "analysis" of the content of the comments up to now. If you did pik these things up, then my comments may at least serve to enlighten those readers who didn't pick this up:

The mountain of humour and irony,
the mind games
the clever writing
the volume of issues touched
the lessons that can be learned

Phew! What a mouthfull!

I encourage everyone to read (even study!) ALL the preceding comments and not just read what I quote.

Right, here goes...

Anonymous said...

[Part 2 of 11] from Boertjie

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1) Firstly, there was a brief discussion of what a creep Uhuru Guru is. Nothing really to dissect here, but wow! Freaky!


2) Then came Ian and a little tizz around stats follows...

Ian : "50 farmers murdered a year. Almost one a week. It definitively seems like isolated cases as you have always maintained."

Note the subtle sarcasm.

The serious content : how many murders would be the upper limit of what culd be described as "isolated cases"? A matter of opinion really, I think.



3) Then Ian gets more sarcastic and talks about awarding you with the "moron of the century" award.



4) Then...

Ian : "I guess "KILL THE BOER, KILL THE FARMER" is just an innocent nighttime song to lull into sleep our children.

I guess 3-year-old Willemien Potgieter (and a 1000 plus like her) was just a collateral in the ANC's fight for freedom."


...a highly sarcastic comment on the ANC's clear anti-white tendencies.


The serious content : The ANC's anti-white tendencies and your apparent bias against Afrikaners/Boers who cries out against this (hence the sarcasm directed at you).


5)...and Rooster loses it : "Using the death of a child to scaremonger and present your ugly agenda ? Sies man !"

I assume the agenda you're referring to is this : to use farmmurders as evidence of race-hate against Afrikaners and to portray Afrikaners as a persecuted and discriminated-against ethnic group in SA. And to say Afrikaner-genocide. Please correct me if I'm wrong in my assumption.

The serious content : Whether this is indeed an ugly agenda or simply warrented concerns mixed with emotions (I'll share and motivate my views later).

Anonymous said...

[Part 3 of 11] from Boertjie

6) ... and Ian responds :

"where is your humor gone?...Do you really think I believe there is a genocide of Afrikaners going on? Amazingly, not yet!"

He is alluding to your "how to avoid genocide"-post in your Ode to Afrikaners by using your own words. He subtly points out that you wrote a humour/mocking article closely related to farmmurders and the people crying out about it. Ironic given your outrage at him bringing up the murdered little girl. I recall you saying somewhere that, when you talk callously about people and their suffering, one can be sure that you aren't being serious. Not being serious about it doesn't make such talk okay. Do you agree or not?

Ian : "they want to create tension between black and whites..." etc

Here he is mockingly referring to your views on the far-right, using content from your Ode to Afrikaners. He is mocking you because :

Malema sings Shoot the boer
...and justabout every Afrikaans white hates it
...and the far right is the most vocal about it
...and then you say it is the far right responsible for the tensions.

Similarly :
Farmmurders, within a anti-white climate
...the Afrikaans community cries out
...the right wing are the most vocal
...and then the right wing is the perpetrators of the tension - (the ugly agenda you talk about).

Again the same reasoning :
call a black person the k-word
...and he gets very upset about it
...and then the black person is the one causing the tesion.

and yet again :
someone flying the old SA flag...
...people get upset at this
...and then THEY are accused of perpetrating the tensions

Ian : "Seriously dude I'm starting to believe you have some personal issues (agenda) against the Afrikaners..."

He draws this mocking conclusion from what you consider humour in your Ode to Afrikaners, and from the reasoning why you think the vocal Afrikaners are the perpetrators of the tensions.

And the final superironic use of your own words :

"Peace, biltong and boerewors, boet !"

Anonymous said...

[Part 4 of 11] from Boertjie

7) Now dachshund is so worked up that she fails to notice that Ian said "murder/suicide".

A mini rant from dachshund follows to which Ian responds with hostility, showing her her error.


8) Rooster : "Ian the death of anyone is not a cause for humour. Not to me anyway."

Ironic, as explained earlier (dutchmen.blogspot genocide-post). However I believe you are sincere in this statement. I don't think you realised you somewhat contradicted yourself in the light of the avoiding-genocide piece on dutchmen.blogspot. Time for some introspection, which you also talk about in your disclaimer on dutchmen.

9) Then another tizz between Dachshund and ian.

10) Rooster : "I have issues with divisive people who as an ideal hold the stupid idea that in a multicultural society like South Africa we are going to get anywhere by being asshole to each other."

Dutchmen.blogspot is a glimpse ino what you find humorous. The irony...again.

11) Then follows whishes that Ian would f-off

12) Ian concludes by at last directly pointing out the irony : "I just find it ironical that you..."

And again Roosters words :

Ian:"Peace, biltong and boerewors!"

I said "conclude" because : Ian:"Over and out"

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Anonymous said...

[Part 5 of 11] from Boertjie

Rooster, Dachshund...do you realise how cleverly Ian really messed with you two?

Ian, you said some things that make me dislike you on a certain level, but man, you have some sharp wit there!

Back to you, Rooster...

Now a word on some things that can be learnt here :

If you're a sincere person...

THINK BEFORE YOU INK! If you're gonna say somthing publically (i.e. on a blog or in the comment-section), be sure that you can properly motivate your statements. Otherwise, don't ascribe more status to what you say than "personal opinion". "Attack" your own statements to see if they hold up under scrutiny. Because if you don't scrutinize, someone else certainly will.

If you do err in what you say, and you are called to it, scrutinize again to see if you're really in the wrong. If so, correct your statements. If not, eplain to the other person WHY he/she is wrong or why you disagree.

Try to gain insight and understanding into the other person's views and thinking and take into account their shortcomings (who of us doesn't have those?). Try to assume a helping attitude rather than a jugdemental attitude. Choose your words carefully.

If you're debating, keep your emotions under control.

If you find yourself trying to debate with an asshole, the only reason to try to continue, is so that other people can learn from a bad example.

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Anonymous said...

[Part 6 of 11] from Boertjie

Okay, that was my comment on the comments. And now for my comment on your post about the number of farmmurders. These are just my thoughts on farm murders, the numbers, the alleged genocide and some related issues.



1) My own number-crunching

I've seen Adriana's list and your writings about it. Seems there is indeed a smattering of glaring inaccuracies in the list. It got me wondering : where did the number of 3000+ come from exactly? One way I found of getting to that number is this : According to Genocide Watch (here) there were 147 farmmurders in 2001. If you round that to 150 it gives you 3000 over 20 years. Do you perhaps know if someone "calculated" the number and how? Should be interesting to know.

Anyway, since reading the disputes about the number of farmmurders, I started wondering what the actual numbers are.

Now this gets confusing...

Just a comment on the number according to TAU during Malemas trial... I distinctly remember hearing on the Afrikaans news that, according to TAU, this number is conservative as it is based on media-reports. I remember it because I thought of your writings when the insert came up.

And in your post of 20 October 2010 on this blog you linked to a source stating these numbers:

a 1541 murders from '94 up to '08 according to AgriSA
b 1266 murders from '91 up to '09 according to TAU
c 1073 murders from '93 up to '09 according to ISS using TAU's stats

Other numbers I found :

d 1254 murders from '91 to '01 inclusive
(farm attack-inquiry report Chapter 2, July 2003)

e 1804 from approx '92 to may 2010
(AgriSA http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/South_Africa_10_05_02_South_African_government_officials_say_white_crime_victims_are_to_blame_for_racist_attacks_on_them.doc)

f 1613 (should be 1366) from murders from '91 to '02 inclusive
(Genocide Watch http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/South_Africa_22_Aug_03_Farmers_tortured_and_murdered_due_to_racial_hatred_-_farm_attack_official_investigation_report.pdf)

Note on number f : A mistake crept in here. The stats GW uses says 1254 murders form '91 to '01 - The Farm-attack-report number. The misunderstanding crept in that '91 to '01 meant UP TO AND NOT INCLUDING 2001. Then they added 2001 and 2002's numbers when in reality the 1254-number already included 2001's numbers. Sheesh, semantics...

Seems TAU's stats are indeed conservative (compare numbers b,c and d)

Anonymous said...

[Part 7 of 11] from Boertjie

So I tried my own guesstimates for '91 to '10 inclusive assuming 50 murders a year for the years not included in above-mentioned stats:

1541 + ((3 + 3) * 50) = 1841
1266 + (2 * 50) = 1366
1073 + ((2 + 2) * 50) = 1273
1254 + (8 * 50) = 1654
1804 + (1.5 * 50) = 1879
1366 + (8 * 50) = 1766

A range from 1273 to 1879.

Now I think that 50 murders per year may very well be a very conservative number, since 60 farmmurders took place from the beginning of December 2010 to the middle of January 2011

(http://afrikaans.news24.com/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Bloedbad-op-SA-plase-20110222-2).

Thats 60 murders in 6 weeks. What was going on during that time?!? 3000+ murders suddenly seems plausible to me again.

Seems to me the only way to nail down the actual number is to manually scrutinize, comb through and compare everyone's statistics to get a list of farmmurders as complete as possible...anyone up for the job? You'll probably want to be assigned to Adrianas list to see what can be salvaged, right? :-)

What percentage of the murder-victims are white...I've no idea. Hadn't had the chance to look thouroughly into this yet. Any leads?

The number of people living on farms? Still have to look into that also...

If I do some more number-crunching, I'll post the updates.

Anonymous said...

[Part 8 of 11] from Boertjie

2) My thoughts on the talks of genocide

I disagree with BOTH you and the likes of Adriana. My stance is this : Although I wouldn't call the farmmurders genocide, I firmly believe there is genocidal elements present.

Here's why I think so...

- A Genocide Watch in effect for SA

The Genocide Watch for SA is at level 5. GW says they'll raise it to 6 should Malema grow in power and continue with his racism.

I also should note that Gregory Stanton indicated that the farmmurders can be classified as genocide although he and GW doesn't think it is actual genocide yet.

(http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/SAfrica2002Over1000BoerFarmersInSouthAfricaHaveBeenMurderedSince1991.pdf

http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/South_Africa_22_Aug_03_Farmers_tortured_and_murdered_due_to_racial_hatred_-_farm_attack_official_investigation_report.pdf

http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/South_Africa_10_05_xx_An_Open_Letter_to_Dr._David_Duke.doc

http://beta.mnet.co.za/carteblanche/Article.aspx?Id=2265)

- Land reform and farmmurders?

It seems, according to numbers on GW's site, that farmmurders was at their worst in the early 2000's, the time when land reform was a fairly hot issue (if my long-term memory isn't failing me). A connection maybe?

- Racial tension

Racial tensions are alive and well and widespread in SA. Apart from the obvious, I'd like to share some anecdotal evidence.

The local library has free public internet. It is mostly young blacks who makes use of this. There is a logbook you must fill in, with a commens-column. The racist-comments are not absent.

Once, at the till in a supermarket, an overwhelmingly large black lady repeatedly tried to push me out of her way with her trolley. And no, she didn't lose her balance to cause her to grab onto her trolley for support...

Anonymous said...

[Part 9 of 11] from Boertjie

- Culture of violence

Violent protests over inadequete service-delivery.

Aggressive strikers often turning violent. Who can forget last year's post-soccer strikes?

- The ANC doesn't like non-blacks.

AA, BEE, transformation, race-quotas, baseless assertions that farmers mistreat their workers, occasional racist comments highlighted by the media, their silence on Uncle Bob's antics, their softhandling of Malema...etc

Oh, and I should mention that most black people continue to support the ANC, despite poor government, unkept promises and the choice of voting for someone else. And they don't have to fear that other parties may bring back apartheid. They know its long dead. You also noted that the ANC racialise things before an election. And still most blacks vote ANC. What can I deduce from this? That they are partial to the ANC's racism? Or are they just too thick to see through the bad joke that is the ANC?

All I can say is : if one supports the ANC, then he's on my enemy's side.

Should be really interesting to see what happens in the elecions...

Anonymous said...

[Part 10 of 11] from Boertjie

- Juju's favourite song is dangerous...

...because it fans smouldering racial tensions. Rooster, I recall you referring to this song as "harmless" in the context that people don't take it literally and go and shoot farmers. However the comments under the Wonkie-cartoon (http://www.wonkie.com/2010/04/06/shoot-the-boer/) demonstrates one danger the singing of this song poses.

Some anecdotal evidence : I recently had a talk with a teacher who teaches at a approx 3/4 black school. She told me that "Shoot the Boer" really has a hate-inciting effect on them. And if you suspect a bias on her part, she teaches at a mostly BLACK school, remember...

I also googled the lyrics of the song. I kind-of expected lyrics with some poetic characteristics. Goodness gracious! It's almost exlusively just "Shoot the boer/Boer shoot shoot shoot shoot the boer/Boer...". The one or other expert in the Malema-trial calling this song "dreunsang"...I fully agree, just based on the song's lyrics.

I also recently accompanied singers and chorusses on the piano at some kind of competition. Between singers leaving and climbing the stage, there were spontaneous singing and dancing. During the lunchbreak, the sound-system operators played something worse than sokkie-music (apologies to sokkie-lovers!) at full blast over the speakers. I had to use pieces of tissue as earplugs. Quickly it was a party where everyone was dancing. It was quite noticable how quickly and easily they had gone with the flow. Jy weet...geesvang. Now with a song like shoot the boer this characteristic of black people worries me.

So

Racial tension
+
Culture of violence
+
The anti-white ANC
+
The most blacks supporting the anti-white ANC
+
Juju's favourite song
+
A Genocide Watch at level 5 (confirming my concerns)

=

concern on Boertjie's side

Anonymous said...

[Part 11 of 11] from Boertjie

3) Regarding people saying that genocide is underway in SA

I think this is a statement partly driven by emotions. Add emotions to my abovementioned motivations for genocide-concern, and it's very easy to make the jump to asserting genocide. It doesn't make everyone saying "genocide" a bad person. Although I don't agree with people asserting genocide, I most certainly don't blame them for thinking the way they do ( so nuke me! :-> ).

Okay, I just need to make a disclaimer here : I hate it when people knowingly and willfully tell lies and distorts facts. And I try not to make myself guilty of that.



4) The hate-speech case against Malema

You expressed dismay at the attention the hate-speech court case against Juju provided him with. It got me thinking : why would one want to prosecute Juju? What would one want to achieve?

Well, for one thing, Juju completely ignored the previous court-ruling that public singing of this song is forbidden (or something like that). If Julius is not prosecuted, he creates the precedent that you can publically incite hate (against whites) and get away with it, irrespective of the authorities. Dangerous precedent, I say.

You noted the attention this court case attracted. Maybe by prosecuting Malema one would want to call international attention to the ANC's racism? Provide an incentive for the world to not readily believe everything they may hear about the ANC, SA and race-relationships in SA?



Right, that was my piece of chicken-scratch. :-> Sorry for the superlong post, but I can't say one thing and leave out another...thats just me...

A last note. I don't have my own internet-access. Therefore I probably won't be able to respond to your possible responce to me quickly.

Just curious...why did you specifically choose the name "Rooster"?

PS I wrote this with Notepad and have just seen that, copied into Word, it fills 9 pages.

Sincerely

Boertjie

The Rooster said...

Now I think that 50 murders per year may very well be a very conservative number, since 60 farmmurders took place from the beginning of December 2010 to the middle of January 2011

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only 4 were whites.

The Rooster said...

Hi boertjie. Firstly your long post is more then welcome. You spoke rationally and in a measured fashion regarding the issue. Many of the point you raised were valid and thought worthy. Thanks for your insight.

I chose the name rooster because a rooster wakes people up. A rooster can also be a "cock" and I sure can be at times. Also I just think it sounds cool. You raised many points. Without going into detail let's just remember I said the following :

1) I don't support the singing of "shoot the boer".
2) I'm not a julius Malema fan
3 ) I am very much part of the Afrikaans culture and to wish harm to them would to be to wish harm on myself.

That's my position on those elements.

My positon on julius malema is for the media to ignore ignore ignore. Yet they do the opossite qand walk into his hands. By the way I was screaming this about Zuma too. It's the white media who got him into power through their demonisation of him. If there's anything south african blacks are quick to recognise it's prejudice.

The Rooster said...

Thanks again for taking the time to post your thoughts on my humble little site. I certainly am here to allow all versions of the story to be heard.

Peace, biltong , boerewors en koeksisters broer.

Anonymous said...

Hi Rooster [form Boertjie]

Thanks for the warm responses! I appreciate it!

I see parts 5 & 6 of my long comment isn't posted. Didn't they get through? I'll try sending them again.

Rooster quote:
"1) I don't support the singing of "shoot the boer".
2) I'm not a julius Malema fan
3 ) I am very much part of the Afrikaans culture and to wish harm to them would to be to wish harm on myself."

I know this and I did know this when I typed my long post. Regarding the 3d point...I know this blog is about "Facestomping negative fearmongering assholes" and that these kind of people are out there. I also know you had some nasty encounters with these kind of people. But when firing those bombshells, just try to make sure, as much as is reasonably possible, that you don't hit people who doesn't deserve it. There are people (I include myself) who hold reasonable views (just my opinion) that are not unlike some of the more radical rightwing views, although just in a (much) less extreme degree. It just seems you are quick to judge, belittle and vilify also these people. If you try to understand their views, I think you may be surprised at discovering that a lot less of these people are actually assholes. Just people reacting emotionally and intuitively when the bombshells start hitting them... Just a little understanding and a careful choice of words can get you far.

One thing I often see when people express the kind of views you frown upon, is that they don't and/or can't motivate their views properly beyond something like "can't you see whats going on?". I'll venture to say that their views are formed "intuitively", much in the same way you say blacks in SA quickly recognise prejudice. And I'm like that to some degree. But your "hostility" (for lack of the right word) made me ask myself : what makes me feel the way I do? Do I have reason to feel the way I do? I'm pretty sure that if I came onto your blog with my views, without good motivation and without keeping my emotions on a short leash, I'd have to execute a swift dive into a bomb-shelter!

Rooster quote :
"My positon on julius malema is for the media to ignore ignore ignore."

I guess it would be ideal if EVERYONE ignore ignore ignore and be able to not react emotionally. But the glitch in this ideal situation is : human nature. We are hardwired to react to sensitive issues. And the media knows this. And they need to sell newspapers. And even if the more respectable media do the responsible thing and not give Juju exposure, the more sensational media will get the word out. And people will react heftily. Controversy. Attracts. Attention. You should know this. So how does one handle the situation? Ignore & tolerate? Dialogue? Prosecution? What are the pros and cons of each respective option? What has been tried so far? A lot to chew on...

The white media paradoxically provided Zuma with his support? Given some thought, I can agree with that. I just need to ponder four factors here :

1) The resentment at the vilification of Zuma (resentment),
2) Sentimental feelings in favour of Zuma (sentiment),
3) The sense of right and wrong (morality),
4) Plain old common sense (Csense).

How strong did the resentment need to be and/or
How strong did the sentiment need to be and/or
How weak did the morality need to be and/or
How inefficient did the Csense need to be...
...for people to vote Zuma into power??????????????

If all this attention results in support for Malema, I would have to ask these same questions again.

Peace, mutual understanding & melktert

Boertjie

Anonymous said...

[Part 5 of 11] {part missing from my previous post} from Boertjie

Rooster, Dachshund...do you realise how cleverly Ian really messed with you two?

Ian, you said some things that make me dislike you on a certain level, but man, you have some sharp wit there!

Back to you, Rooster...

Now a word on some things that can be learnt here :

If you're a sincere person...

THINK BEFORE YOU INK! If you're gonna say somthing publically (i.e. on a blog or in the comment-section), be sure that you can properly motivate your statements. Otherwise, don't ascribe more status to what you say than "personal opinion". "Attack" your own statements to see if they hold up under scrutiny. Because if you don't scrutinize, someone else certainly will.

If you do err in what you say, and you are called to it, scrutinize again to see if you're really in the wrong. If so, correct your statements. If not, eplain to the other person WHY he/she is wrong or why you disagree.

Try to gain insight and understanding into the other person's views and thinking and take into account their shortcomings (who of us doesn't have those?). Try to assume a helping attitude rather than a jugdemental attitude. Choose your words carefully.

If you're debating, keep your emotions under control.

If you find yourself trying to debate with an asshole, the only reason to try to continue, is so that other people can learn from a bad example.

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Anonymous said...

[Part 6 of 11] {part missing from my previous post} from Boertjie

Okay, that was my comment on the comments. And now for my comment on your post about the number of farmmurders. These are just my thoughts on farm murders, the numbers, the alleged genocide and some related issues.



1) My own number-crunching

I've seen Adriana's list and your writings about it. Seems there is indeed a smattering of glaring inaccuracies in the list. It got me wondering : where did the number of 3000+ come from exactly? One way I found of getting to that number is this : According to the farmattack-report of 2003, there were 147 farmmurders in 2001. If you round that to 150 it gives you 3000 over 20 years. Do you perhaps know if someone "calculated" the number and how? Should be interesting to know.

Anyway, since reading the disputes about the number of farmmurders, I started wondering what the actual numbers are.

Now this gets confusing...

Just a comment on the number according to TAU during Malemas trial... I distinctly remember hearing on the Afrikaans news that, according to TAU, this number is conservative as it is based on media-reports. I remember it because I thought of your writings when the insert came up.

And in your post of 20 October 2010 on this blog you linked to a source stating these numbers:

a 1541 murders from '94 up to '08 according to AgriSA
b 1266 murders from '91 up to '09 according to TAU
c 1073 murders from '93 up to '09 according to ISS using TAU's stats

Other numbers I found :

d 1254 murders from '91 to '01 inclusive
(farm attack-inquiry report Chapter 2, July 2003)

e 1804 from approx '92 to may 2010
(AgriSA http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/South_Africa_10_05_02_South_African_government_officials_say_white_crime_victims_are_to_blame_for_racist_attacks_on_them.doc)

f 1613 (should be 1366) murders from '91 to '02 inclusive
(Genocide Watch http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/South_Africa_22_Aug_03_Farmers_tortured_and_murdered_due_to_racial_hatred_-_farm_attack_official_investigation_report.pdf)

Note on number f : A mistake crept in here. The stats GW uses says 1254 murders form '91 to '01 - The Farm-attack-report number. The misunderstanding crept in that '91 to '01 meant UP TO AND NOT INCLUDING 2001. Then they added 2001 and 2002's numbers when in reality the 1254-number already included 2001's numbers. Sheesh, semantics...

Seems TAU's stats are indeed conservative (compare numbers b,c and d)

JP said...

OMG, you are really mentally ill. You think all those dead farmers mean nothing because it's only 1000? What has happened to you in your life?

The Rooster said...

Jp how did you arrive at that absurd conclusion ? I have over and over again said one murder is too many.