Take a look at this : I'd like to draw your attention to the following.
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/world/20070622_CAPEVERDE_GRAPHIC.html#
-The study is done between the periods 2000-2005. A time when crime was far worse than now and the economy was not booming the likes of what we've seen the past 3 years in South Africa.
-The sources are the United nations population division, the world bank and the IMF.
-190 million people have emmigrated to other countries in the world.
So what does the source tell us ?
Simply put there are 15000 per year on average more people emmigrating TO South Africa in the period than ones leaving. I should just offer a "up yours" to all those crayola bullshit artists and be done with it.
Actually one second thoughts I will.
Up yours.
"But Rooster ! Many people leave and don't register !"
No twatfuck. They'd have to register with the country they now live in and thus enter the study.
"Ok , so then we;ve traded quality for quantity !"
Fail. On the other hand the study does not include all the illegals emmigrants in South Africa. It's simply going by those people who qualified to become South African citizens. That implies they are skilled, educated, wealthy or married to South Africans. It's not easy to get citizen status here for obvious reasons (hint : neighbours).
Interestingly enough even if there was truth to the myth that more people were emmigrating ...it would look like this.
..for those less graphically inclined basically it seems that if you chart the progress of the country since 1994 and compare it to the so called emmigration you'd find a perfect correlation between whingy little man babies leaving and the country getting better. Logically speaking then it seems the less of these whingers we have , the better we do.
So once again I ask you for the sake of the country...if you're a whinger then get packing negative jerwad. I'll bring a bakkie and let's get you off to the airport as quick as possible before you get in the way of any more progress. Or to put it another way : Fuck off somewhere else and don't let the door hit you on the ass.
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to be honest rooster
iam from durban i live in oz now
and i am meeting at least 5 new
south africans everyday . i work in a pet shop and alot of our custmers are south african
and they all say they are never goinbg bakc to sa cause of crime
and they all say even there extended familys are coming to oz.
and some of the people i met are new to australia . and like i said before they r bringing tannie and oupas with them and they all samw crime is getting worse and worse and worse and there version of sa sounds just like a talking sas website and they are fresh of the boat sout haficans
iam sory rooster but i dont agree
with your article
Oh. You're back.Pity.
Yawn. More expat wetmats telling the 99% of us who are nazin extremists like S.A.S , or in a neurotic mess like them how it "really" is. Ask those 5 new south africans how they formed their perception of crime. Suggest next time they use ac tual reality instead of the fearmongering white media. Maybe they'd get their heads out of their arses. Anyway...good riddance. Me and the home coming revolution have one difference in opinion....sure I want south africans to come back....but not the types who spout this unsubstamntuated bullshit.
Rooster, is Charles Nqakula filling in for you while you are ill? Well Charles, it’s really quite simple. People complain about crime, AA, & BEE. Why is there such a problem addressing these issues.
Crime:
What is being done by the ANC about the high crime rate. According to the 2007/08 South African Police Service (SAPS) Annual Report, the conviction rate for contact crimes is a mere 19%.The conviction rates for the crimes that scare people the most are astonishingly low, and have all decreased since 2006. For example, the conviction rate for murder is 12.6% (decrease of 0.8%), attempted murder 11.3% (decrease of 0.6%); and rape 8.9% (decrease of 0.1%).
These figures may be wrong and I am reluctant to stand by anything these idiots have to say, but the bottom line is that if people do not have faith that the crime they report will result in a conviction, they will simply not bother reporting lesser crimes or resort to hiring expensive private security to defend against more serious crimes (effectively paying twice for the same service). This is possibly the reason behind the decrease in the number of contact crimes reported – this figure has decreased from 704,449 crimes to 664,922 over the past two years – a drop of 5.6%. What action has the ANC taken in addressing these issues, shutting down the Scorpions? What a joke. I could give them a few suggestions if they are having some sort of mental block.
Have a look at this (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BmzIc6ANjWI) and tell me why nothing is being done about it. Being from Durban, these are the same streets that I walk down and you expect me to just smile sheepishly while being stripped of my dignity and say, “well at least our GDP is up by 4.9% ” (and yes I too have been a victim several times). When you report it to the police you just know from the moment you walk through the door that they just don’t give a shit. I don't want to spend my life feeling powerless.
AA,& BEE:
What exactly is the fear about giving white people an equal chance in job applications and business tender opportunities. If the ANC made a more concerted effort at promoting economic growth they would not have to worry about 9.1% of the population dominating 100% of the economic pie. Also, 5% annual growth does not impress me at all. Those fuckwits in power pre 1994 were only interested in the 9.1% of us, but now with an injection of 40 000 000 new potential punters, they can only achieve 5% growth - pathetic. At that rate it will be 180 years before all South Africans reach the same level of franchise that whites enjoyed pre 1994. Again, I could give them a few pointer if they are having trouble with creativity.
I could give two shits about the colour of a persons skin (and that is sincere), but don’t expect me to be happy about putting the future of my family into the hands of a bunch of social retards. This supposed split in the ANC is the only good political news we have since the Mandela days. Maybe we won’t be stuck with Lloyd and Larry’s Africa equivalents forever. Until then, I say keep moaning, but also, don’t forget to relax a bit and enjoy all the good things this country has to offer too.
So in regards to your post your message is, that the government would rather replace us with cheap foreign labour than fix the issues that we continually whinge and whine about. Have I got it right? Maybe these people should also be classified as previously advantaged and shut out of lucrative business opportunities. The only reason I am a white South Africa is because the government has made that separation and decided to legislate against me. I would be happy just being South African.
i would say rooster
those south africans get there
percetion of crime
from personal expericance'
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same way i did rooster
i was a victim of a car jacking myswlf my best friend had a gun put in his mouth my dad has had at least 4 friends shot dead!!!!!!!!
and it wasnt a nice thing
happened on the way ti the \
pavillion shopping centre in durban
so thats how they get there crime stats from people around being victims of crime
cheers
hey
rooster i work for nandos here in australia and the boss in from s.africa and he said he was also carjacked
so again thats where the stats r coming from personal storys
and he to woill never go bac kto sa everyone around me has a story to tell
hi rooster
my cousin had a friend in joburg
who was shot dead while trying to save his girlfriend from being raped. and my dads close friend was stabbed in joburg and robbrd he was stabbed over 6 times in the body a good friend of mine has had more than 4 friends shot dead
my friend from somerset west in cape town his neighbour was killed in a robbery and his brother in joburg was carjacked
nothing to do with fearmongering white media all personal stories
all fact. thats how people get thiere perception of crime
take care stay safe
I'm not saying crimes don't happen. They do. It's uniquely South African to however make this out to be something bigger than it is. With a risk of repeating myself white South Africans are no more victim to crimes that 50% of white Americans. The odds are phenominally low. If you are a victim of viuolent crime you are extremely freakishly unlucky. This is a fact.
It should not surprise anyone to read about crimes on the internet if you go to sites like S.A.S. These sites are nothing more than a place for the few incredibly un lucky people (same as getting picked as 8 out of 100 000) tio come together. There's nothing wrong with that. With venting your pain and frustration.
What's wrong is white South Africans uniquelty in the world feel entitled to make it a racial issue and have the srange notion that their experience is common. It's not folks...it's not even close to common in this country. I feel for you , but try understand that even a worste case scenario you have 10 times more chance of dying in a car crash than being murdered in South Africa. But if we use more rational figures it's a 40 times chance.
the internet is littered with people who have experience crime....only south africans however come together and form clubs and say "
it's because of the blacks/anc/bilderburd group/reptilians" ....it's silly and it detracts from your message.
Get this in your heads....crtime is not unique to S.A....we have at worst the 9th most violent country in the world...but probably around the 40th (see my writings on this). And that assumes you are a normal black south african. For whites you're way up the list and not even in the top 50 risk groups for murder on the planet. If it happens it's terrible....but so is a car crash or cancer....and these things are far more loikely to happen to you....but what kind of life would it be to obsess about them ?
Sort your heads out people.
for some reason, you try to dilute the severity of crime in SA, and use propaganda adjectives like "freakishly low" and throw in "white this" and "white that" because you're obsessed with race when no one else here has even mentioned it.
gated communities do not exist in sydney. you don't see booms at the entrances of residential streets in toronto. you don't see electric fencing and high walls in milan.
no one gives a shit about world rankings. no one gives a shit about white and black crime. no one gives a shit about graphs and stats and other academic crap.
people give a shit about their neighbour who was raped by armed gunmen, in durban. people give a shit about being hijacked at gunpoint in their driveway, in joburg. people give a shit about being shot at by gangs, in the cape flats.
and this happens daily, and it happens at a "freakishly" high rate.
let's fight crime properly, and make SA better. we don't fight crime by diluting its severity. crime in SA is out of control.
Cant wait for the census in 2010.
Proof will be in the pudding.
I live in one of the safest area in Durban, the suburb of Durban North. It is quite a small area and would take about 15 minutes to drive through from any angle. I did not want to cherry pick a bad area to prove a point and I don’t need to. Every year 5500 people fall victim to crime in this small area according to some sketchy figures from SAPS.. Just imagine over 5000 houses stretched out in from of you and every family in those houses has a story about crime and every year that amount doubles. Is it any wonder that it is a strong talking point in the community and can you blame people for thinking that they will be next. I can’t.
I think that people could live with this figure if they knew that there concerns were taken seriously but sadly they are not. Apart from a few brave and honest cops, we have a Mickey Mouse service when we really need Might Mouse. You say don’t blame the ANC, I say why not. With a hit rate of only 19% conviction for serious crimes and a total indifference toward common crime, who does the buck stop with?
I am also not swayed by your argument about being safer in SA than the rest of the world because we are white. I would agree that whites are the least affected race group in SA in regards to crime so why don’t you compare us to the least affected groups in USA, Europe, Australia, Canada and see what the stats look like then. To generalize, your average white South African does not go around looking for trouble. We don’t have our stolen car’s windows rolled down, sporting Uzi sub-machine guns and subscribe to gang culture, so why should we be compared to the people who do? In these countries where South Africans are moving to you can find a nice quiet corner to live your life in (if you so wish) but in SA crime seeks you out where ever you are and there is nothing you can do about it.
Once again you do not pass the opportunity up to totally squat on your own name.
Here is what I find amusing about this typed puke of yours.
You say, “The study is done between the periods 2000-2005. A time when crime was far worse than now and the economy was not booming the likes of what we've seen the past 3 years in South Africa.”
Now you admit that the crime was far worse between 2000 and 2005. That was also the time the ANC denied the high levels of crime and said there was no crisis. Those who complained were told to fuck off just like you are saying and they were told they were racists for complaining about crime. Now in hindsight you admit that the crime was “far worse” than even the abominable figures of today but at the time you denied there was a problem.
Further, I am not interested in people migrating around the world. I am interested in Whites being forced out of the country of their birth by racist policies such as affirmative action and BEE. They are unwillingly migrating. You are right. SA is a wonderful country, why would anyone want to emigrate. Fact is they don’t WANT to. They really have no other choice.
You have previously denied that 800,ooo whites have left SA. Well that figure comes from very credible sources as quoted in the Economist of 25 Sep 2008.
http://www.economist.com/world/mideast-africa/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12295535
550,000 South Africans (all colours) in England alone. Why? The South African Institute for Race Relations (SAIRR) says it is due to High Crime, AA and BEE.
Prof. Andre P. Brink is screaming out against it, having been a personal victim himself, yet ROOSTER BOY is a more credible resource. Believe ROOSTER.
Although most of the emigrants are whites, the DESIRE to emigrate is evenly spread amongst all races. A recent survey by FutureFact, a polling organisation, found that last year, 42% of Coloured (mixed-race) South Africans, 38% of blacks and 30% of those of Indian descent were thinking of leaving, compared with 41% of whites.
Why do 40% of the total population of SA have the desire to emigrate, Rooster? I will tell you why. BECAUSE SOUTH AFRICA SUCKS, due to High crime, AA and BEE driven by an incompetent, corrupt Marxist terrorist gang called the ANC. Do you think it is natural that 40% of a country’s population want to leave? How many countries do you know of, besides places like Haiti and Zimbabwe, where 40 % of the people want to leave?
If I was the management of a company and 40% of my most highly skilled people wanted to leave I would recognize that there was a problem. A company cannot afford to lose 40% of its best people, why do you think a country can?
Further, I think a lot more people have left than 8oo,ooo, because I am one of those who just upped one day and the next I was gone. These emigrants have been replaced by Africans from Burundi, Tanzania, Somalia, Nigeria, etc...For whom it is as easy to immigrate into SA as claiming refugee status at the border post. According to the Geneva convention we must allow them in without passports. I have personally seen these people’s residency permits and their status as refugees allows them to work and live in SA, also to health and other benefits.
Look it is simple. The pie is only so big, if every idiot takes a slice there is nothing left for our own people, hence the xenophobia.
25,000 teachers were leaving the profession every year and only 7,000 entering.
But you keep sticking your head up your arse Roosterboy, If you cant see there is a problem then there is no problem.
Now at least the government earmarks sectors where skills are in short supply and for which immigration procedures are supposed to be eased. In April, however, an internal report by the Department of Home Affairs showed that fewer than 1,200 foreigners had obtained permits under this scheme, from a list of more than 35,000 critical jobs.
Like I told Rooster. It is not so easy to replace skilled workers.
Now they have passed laws that will chase more people away.
http://www.fin24.com/articles/default/display_article.aspx?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-1786_2433052
Your wonderful mafia style economy is to slow from 3.3% to 1.9% growth next year:
http://www.fin24.com/articles/default/display_article.aspx?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-25_2429869
South Africa's economic growth rate slowed to 0.2% in the third quarter of 2008. The third quarter figure was the lowest in a decade.
http://www.fin24.com/articles/default/display_article.aspx?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-25_2432210
So you see Rooster, my boy…the party is over. There are no more snacks and no more wine…Hangover time. Enjoy. BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Here is what I find amusing about this typed puke of yours.
You say, “The study is done between the periods 2000-2005. A time when crime was far worse than now and the economy was not booming the likes of what we've seen the past 3 years in South Africa.”
Now you admit that the crime was far worse between 2000 and 2005. That was also the time the ANC denied the high levels of crime and said there was no crisis.
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settle down. 2001 was the worst year sine 1994. It was also that notorious year where out of countries we reporteds stats we were number one for murder rate. since then violent crime is down 30%. Adjust...that's all.
You have previously denied that 800,ooo whites have left SA. Well that figure comes from very credible sources as quoted in the Economist of 25 Sep 2008.
http://www.economist.com/world/mideast-africa/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12295535
550,000 South Africans (all colours) in England alone. Why?
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What bollocks. You're throwing in the "working ho;liday" crowd. Not even 10% of those people stay after. Not even 150 000 saffers have emmigrated to britain.
Your wonderful mafia style economy is to slow from 3.3% to 1.9% growth next year:
http://www.fin24.com/articles/default/display_article.aspx?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-25_2429869
South Africa's economic growth rate slowed to 0.2% in the third quarter of 2008. The third quarter figure was the lowest in a decade.
http://www.fin24.com/articles/default/display_article.aspx?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-25_2432210
So you see Rooster, my boy…the party is over. There are no more snacks and no more wine…Hangover time. Enjoy. BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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The world in recession. The united states will seem no growth or actual negative growth going by projections. South Africa is doing very well relatively speaking. So go look for your bad news to wank over somewhere else...you won't find it in the economy.
So you see Rooster, my boy…the party is over. There are no more snacks and no more wine…Hangover time. Enjoy. BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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At least you admit we're having a party. What are you doing overseas ?Serving the drinks ?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA !@!!
this happens daily, and it happens at a "freakishly" high rate.
let's fight crime properly, and make SA better. we don't fight crime by diluting its severity. crime in SA is out of control.
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No. For white people it does not happenb at a freakishly high rate. For blacks and more so colours south africans it does happen at a freakishly high rate. You won't help the country by inflating and exageratting our problems either though.
And for the guy who mention crimes other than violence...well you're very misguided. Other than violent crimes south africa has a very nominal level of crimes. Australia has more housebreaking per capita for example.
To put that to you lazy researchers another way : The thing about south africa is not the ammount of crime , it's the violent nature of it. Thankfully it;'s drastically decreasing every year and is now much lower than the terrible days of apartheid.
@anonymous 26 November 2008 01:37
What? Is that what you left South Africa for, to work in a pet shop? How old are you, working in a pet shop for a living? ALL your customers are South African???
They must be replacing the dogs they left behind at the SPCA in a hurry. Or do they need lots of guard bunnies in Australia?
Judging by your spelling you can't be older than 14.
Really ...
@ anonymous 26 November 2008 07:22
And as for you, working at a Nando's?? How old are you? You call that upward mobile?
These are mostly children blogging here.
what a strange article by this rooster chap. he only targets whites and ignore the crimes going down in townships and gang lands and majority of SA which is lower to middle class.
why don't you discuss crimes in those areas? why do you compare to 1st world white countries and only ever talk about white people?
very strange.
from the way rooster targets whites all the time, and completely ignores coloureds, indians, and blacks,it's good to know that whites are the only group that worries about crime and emigrates.
it's good to know that only whites are the problem area.
Rooster, I am not quite sure what to make of your comments about Australia having more burglaries than South Africa. I will be the first to admit that when it comes to stats and data I sometimes find it difficult to see the wood for the trees but the figures below look quite unambiguous to me.
According to the SAPS, burglary at residential premises total for South Africa was 237 853
http://www.saps.gov.za/statistics/reports/crimestats/2008/march_april_2001_2008/catagory/burglary_resident.pdf
According to the Australian Institute of Criminology, Unlawful entry with intent (defined by the ABS as the unlawful entry of a structure with the intent to commit an offence. UEWI offences include burglary, break and enter, and some stealing) total for Australia was 14 520 for domestic property.
http://www.aic.gov.au/topics/property/stats/uewi.html
If I double the 14 520 (because we have twice as many people in SA) we still have 87.6% more burglary at residential premises in South Africa.
Also, according to the NATIONAL VICTIMS OF CRIME SURVEY
SOUTH AFRICA 2003, the only crime feared more than housebreaking is murder.
It appears that less than two thirds of the housebreakings that occur are
reported to the police, and that of those that are reported, nearly a fifth are not
recorded by the police; the official figures are substantial underestimates.
http://www.iss.co.za/pubs/Monographs/No101/Contents.html
Maybe you can set me straight on this.
Oz has more house burglaries than SA? hahahahaha!
not according to the stats, rooster.
ROOSTER
You can mow your Kakiebos and I will mow my green lawn here in OZ.
You can live in your home/jail.
I will live in peace and comfort.
You can shit yourself every time you drive your car.
I will enjoy the fresh air in my 4X4 with all the windows open.
You can enjoy been treated like a animal in SA.
I will enjoy been treated like a human.
You can spend your micky mouse money while I enjoy my Dollars.
South Africa Sucks and we all know it except you because you are a dick head with one brain cell. Get over it and wake up. SA is like the rest of Africa. DOOMED.
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All of the above things you described have nothing to do with me oranyone they know. They sounnd like you have all the symptoms or a paranoid and deluded person. Where did you hang out in S.A ? The groen dakkies ? Who the hell shits himself every time he drives his car ? What am i shitting myself about ?
Of all the 18000 murders in South Africe around 500 only are related to house breaking , hijacking and armed robbery comnbined ! Let's assume the hicjackings make up a third of that (although that seems generous on my part) ...that's would be 133.3 murders per 47 000 000 people a year. Or expressed as a murder rate : 0.226 per 100 000 people.
FAIL !!!
On the rare occasion that I spoke without researching there exist the slightest chancccce that I may have been wrong. I do know that was the case a few years back. Whatever...point remains that comapred to other countries S.A is not higher in other crimes. Go a few post back and see my comparisson with the united states for things such as car theft and assault. Regarding oz , we do have less tourist murders.
See my shit eating grin from there can't you ?
hint ..we're lower than the states in almost everything.
"On the rare occasion that I spoke without researching there exist the slightest chancccce that I may have been wrong."
you're trying to dilute again and make excuses.
YOU WERE WRONG.
simple.
To the ex-South Africans who emigrated to Australia, are you saying there is no crime in Australia? If that's the case why does the country even need a police service? I am not saying that Australia and SA are on same level, certainly SA is far more crime-ridden. As far as BEE - I believe that is something which is needed to level the playing field which was completely out of whack during apartheid precisely because of that government's policies. According to a friend of mine who works at "Business Day" the unemployment rate among SA whites is only around 2 to 3%, far less than among blacks. So it seems the stories of "reverse discrimination" come out of embitterment among people who now have to compete with blacks, whereas before they didn't, rather than from the reality.
"Regarding oz , we do have less tourist murders."
"See my shit eating grin from there can't you ?"
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How do you know? As far as I can tell the S.A.P.S. do not give a breakdown of crimes against tourists despite an appeal from Marthinus Van Schalkwyk, Minister of Environmental Affairs and Tourism to do so.
What I do know is that the S.A.P.S. plan to assign at least one officer to every station in the country who will be dedicated to crimes relating to tourists. I think that says something in itself.
G-Man said…
“As far as BEE - I believe that is something which is needed to level the playing field which was completely out of whack during apartheid precisely because of that government's policies.”
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If the economy is only growing at less than 5% per year, and the government are pressing companies to reach their AA, BEE quotas, where are all the displaced white public servants and professionals going to find jobs when the so called “playing field” is levelled? Overseas, that’s where. Or they can start up a business with a black sounding names and hire a black posing as chairman or CEO. Failing which they could always try find a job at wimpy or Nando’s.
When the government stops its legislation against white people and finally do something about the crime, blogs like this one will evaporate faster than you can say “A Rooster is a cock”.
How do you know? As far as I can tell the S.A.P.S. do not give a breakdown of crimes against tourists despite an appeal from Marthinus Van Schalkwyk, Minister of Environmental Affairs and Tourism to do so.
Look it up bub. I have written several entire posts on it full of validation and links. S.A is a very safe tourist destination compared to australia.
If the economy is only growing at less than 5% per year, and the government are pressing companies to reach their AA, BEE quotas, where are all the displaced white public servants and professionals going to find jobs when the so called “playing field” is levelled?
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White south africans have a higher employment rate that americans. close to 97% of white South Africans over 18 years of age have jobs. In fact we remain on of the richest and most priveledged groups of people on the entire planet. So what the hell has aa or bee got to do with anything ?
"No. For white people it does not happenb at a freakishly high rate. For blacks and more so colours south africans it does happen at a freakishly high rate."
Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. Please provide me credible crime stats that break apart crimes per race. There is no way of knowing that from the SAPS stats, since they use the population groups as a whole and divide according to crime type.
Hard evidence, please.
Anonymous said...
"No. For white people it does not happenb at a freakishly high rate. For blacks and more so colours south africans it does happen at a freakishly high rate."
Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. Please provide me credible crime stats that break apart crimes per race. There is no way of knowing that from the SAPS stats, since they use the population groups as a whole and divide according to crime type.
Hard evidence, please.
27 November 2008 01:42
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I agree, just like they don't breakdown tourist stats. This speculation is just not good enough to convince me that what I am seeing with my own eyes is not happening everywhere. For me, SAPS can be the only credible source and this info only exists on paper dockets and has never been collated.
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