Tuesday, 18 November 2008

A letter between the enemy and me

With his permission I'm posting an email between me and a prominent S.A.S poster who have been emailing each other the past few days. I will post his reponse to my response when I get it.

How do you dehumanise something which isn't human to start with? How do you "dehumanise" something which will
fuck a defenceless little 6 month old baby so that its innards hangs out of its arse? How do you "dehumanise" something
which will cut off the fingers of an 80 year old defenceless woman?

Your problem is that you ascribe human attributes to something which is lower than a wild animal. I have many arguments
with bible-punching Jesus freaks who suffer from the same class of delusion you do, having attributed natural phenomena
(day & night) to ethical, intangible concepts such as good & evil, ending up with God & Satan.

You do pretty much the same. I'm not sure whether to blow this off as tragic or just downright infantile. You still have much
to learn my little firebrand friend. But fear not, with time comes wisdom. Lets just hope these noble savages you are so infatuated
with will spare you until you reach your next plateau of wisdom. At the risk of sounding condescending, intellectually I was once where you
are today. I too had fierce battles with people I saw as intellectual cripples, contorted with mindless hatred for the sake of hatred.To be sure,
some did indeed embrace racism as a form of self actualisation because they knew in their heart of hearts that nothing but the colour of their
skins separated them from the lower races, so they traded on this in order to validate their pointless, worthless existences.

But then there were those who had the intellectual wherewithal, in addition to a lifetime of experiences who formed a formidable matrix
from which they drew their frame of reference. I posit that presently your frame of reference is incomplete, as, admittedly, is mine.
Of itself this is nothing to be ashamed of and I do not condemn you for it - you can only draw on that which you have learned, and as said earlier
you still have much to internalise. What does however gall me is your position that the little bit of knowledge you've accumulated.
In Afrikaans we call this "dom-astrant" - literally translated as dumb arrogant.

If you were to listen a bit more and talk less, you might add value to your intellectual matrix. But like the fervent Jesus freak, foaming at the mouth with
glazed eyes and white knuckles you brim and bubble with indignant self-righteousness. A "True Believer" indeed. Please don't cripple yourself Keith,
or become the intellectual equivalent of the Comprachicos. As much as I detest your beliefs, I admire your fervent, principled propagation of them.
Sometimes I think it's a pity you're batting for the other side, but then I console myself in the knowledge that it really is just a matter of time.
Did you know that I once, long ago went out to break up AWB meetings? That I actively opposed racism, tribalism and ethnic chauvinism on all levels?
Now you'll probably say "so WTF happened dude?" I'm afraid my answer won't please you. I evolved.

I no longer waste my time with True Believers, be they of a mystical flavour, or a politically correct one. I will however impart knowledge to those
who acknowledge that the accumulation (and thus by extrapolation one's intellectual position on any particular subject) is a fluid procession,
an evolutionary process, if you like. I fear your emotive, righteous fervour cripples and hamstrings your development. Worse, I suspect your position
is based solely on some warm, fuzzy feeling you get when you consider it. Put another way, you're thinking with your heart, not your mind.

Which is fine, if an extremely effeminate trait. I'm not coming down on you if you're one of those new agey metrosexuals
in touch with your feminine side - in fact, judging from your other blog you come across as a bit of a chauvinist. What I am exhorting you to do is
to divorce your emotions from your intellect. If you do this Keith, you will become infallible in any argument. You too, can become an Uhuru Guru
of sorts, instead of being a UG groupie whose entire existence revolves around a faceless entity you have some paradoxical love / hate relationship with.

Just imagine that. I can tell you, it's quite a nice feeling. Like being actualised in a way. On a negative note, I can also tell you this - (I think) Nietzsche said
"cynicism is the suicide of the soul". As you age, you become more cynical. It is as unstoppable as the ageing process itself. Been there, done that.

One day you will be there too my friend. Perish the thought -one day you will be duelling with some idealistic kid who excoriates you as a drooling,
insane racist, such as you are indicting me now - and you might just think back to this exchange.

Why am I telling you this? Because in a sense, it's like déjà vu, except I've shifted from my Rooster position to my UG trench. One day, you will too.



My response...


How do you dehumanise something which isn't human to start with? How do you "dehumanise" something which will
fuck a defenceless little 6 month old baby so that its innards hangs out of its arse? How do you "dehumanise" something
which will cut off the fingers of an 80 year old defenceless woman?


Interesting you ask that right before you go on an anti Cartesian dualist tirade. To stand up for black people is not to stand up for the sick people you just described. Just as I don't need to defend myself from being compared to Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy as a white person. You seem like a smart guy and I know the flaws in your rationale are apparent to you. I know you'll admit in polite company that it's a tiny insignificantly small minority of black people who would not express the same disgust and outrage as we would.

Regarding the "good and evil" notion. No, I don't buy into that in the slightest. I'm an agnostic who formulated my beliefs about the universe by reading books on quantum physics and cosmology. I don't buy into any of this new age "all people are intrinsically good" stuff either. I pretty much despise people across the board. Especially whingers. You're spot on by the way....life naturally leads one towards nihilism....but we have a very different interpretation about that. Yes life is meaningless and random and chaotic and in many ways determined. But on the other foot is not freedom having nothing left to lose ? In the absurdity of it all, does this not urge and allow us then more than ever to transcend the mundane and project our own hopes onto the world ? Surely then a needlessly negative and cynical and hopeless perspective is a self fulfilling prophecy. There's enough to despair about it life without voluntarily adding to the pile and a lot to be said for blind optimism. Though with that said I maintain I am neither blindly optimistic yet neither needlessly cynical. And you as an intelligent organism with the capacity to adapt to your environment should have arrived at the same conclusion by now. Zen baby.

It's not like I'm pro-black by the way. I don't disproportionally claim to have many black friends or anything so histrionic. I try keep my relationships with people based on whether I like them and not formed on some basis of tokenism/kissing their ass for something my father did and their father suffered through. But that's not to say I'm not sensitive to their feelings about it though.

some did indeed embrace racism as a form of self actualization because they knew in their heart of hearts that nothing but the color of their
skins separated them from the lower races, so they traded on this in order to validate their pointless, worthless existences.



You're being very kind by saying "some". It's not coincidence that in any society the most racist and bigoted proportions of people come from the lower sectors of white society The type of right wing republicanesque people that relate to your blog are not the leaders of industry my friend or branding doctores. Let's be quite honest about that.


Did you know that I once, long ago went out to break up AWB meetings? That I actively opposed racism, tribalism and ethnic chauvinism on all levels?
Now you'll probably say "so WTF happened dude?" I'm afraid my answer won't please you. I evolved.


What part of what I have written gives the impression I'm some naive liberal minded idiot ? I know the people you're talking about...these straight out of university liberals who can't yet appreciate how indoctrinated they are in a world view that has been enforced on them in a near fascist manner. I share your frustration son this. In fact catch me in a certain cloud of African rhetoric where I'm being push to admit I'm some evil person and I'll be quick to point out that africans were hardly sitting around hand in hand and singing khumbiya when whitey arrived. That South Africa has the best economic system, health care system , roads, infrastructure etc in africa chiefly because of the white influence. That despite apartheid in some very real way indeed white people were one of the best things to happen to South Africa. Sure the country would have got their eventually and I scientifically believe that race plays no part in determining development (rather environment and social circumstances). But that's a kind of truth that's very hard for anyone to deny. As you can see with my playful views on women, I'm no fucking apologist. I'm outright sexist at times as you point out. I too can look back at a time when i was indoctrinated by all the hyper liberlism and shake my head in pity. But....!

If i'm intellectually honest I simply can not put in with such bankrupt ideas such as racial determination/stereotyping. I see no evidence for this. I see no reason to believe the private school black children I went to school with can in any way be likened and compared to some nasty little uneducated ghetto riff raff (who never had a chance). Nor can I think back of the black nanny that brought me up so lovingly as a child and still to this day sends me pumpkin fritters and liqui fruit on my birthday with any sense of dehumanization you're involved in. Nor can I look at the masses of black and whites youths who are growing up together without the hang ups of previous generations had...with any sense of despair.

To do so as you do I strongly suggest you've experienced some trauma in the past...I assume to do with the military (as I've so often witnessed in my fathers generation)..but perhaps with some more recent incident. Fear clouds the mind and as a defense mechanism you no longer see things as clearly as perhaps you once did. If anything , and I say this with a surprising amount of love and compassion for your plight whether you want it or not ...that's devolution.

31 comments:

Anonymous said...

Read Isaiah Chapter 59: both parts.

The Rooster said...

I don't own a bible. I don't think God wrote an instruction manuel that propogates genocide , child murder , stoning women to death for speaking etc....

If there's a god..and he's like the god in the bible...then I'd rather burn in hell that worship him.

Anonymous said...

well done! you ripped ug a new one!

Anonymous said...

Yawn, there you go on a tangent again - bringing up the whole sas love/hate debacle again.
Don't you have ANYTHING original?
Don't you get it man? Read some of your previous comments. You're obsessed and the subject is way past its "sell by date"
Its getting FRIGGIN' BORING!

Anonymous said...

You're doing it again. You're giving airtime to those nationalists.

I didn't even bother reading your post. It's long winded and a waste of time. It's like reading an article on why creationism is good science.

Come, Rooster. You can do better.

The Rooster said...

Hey hey hey ! How many of you have a job, a business, 2 websites, are writing a book and manage to almost post a new blog post here everyday ????

And you still call me unoriginal ? Sometimes there's only so much juice to go around folks. I mean I think all things considered I still put on a pretty decent blog. For fuck sakes...if you want to contribute and can do better then email your stuff me and i'll hapilly post your original content.

Susan said...

This is an interesting exchange and just like Ted Bundy seemed normal and sane, so does this SAS person.

The "person" you refer to here is the Uhuru Guru - so called, which should already provide a clue to his / her /it's persona.

As I am not identifying the person behind the above screen name I feel OK about making the following observations, and for the sake of simplicity refer to the Uhuru Guru character as a SHE.

I have received hundreds of emails from her and her ilk and the line of reasoning is a direct cut and paste of several that I have seen before.

The moral high ground attempted justifications, all the while in weaker moments, admitting to posting dismembered kids pictures and inflammatory holocaust material so that "Ha Ha now you will see the blog hits hit the roof and get just one more post above the 100 comment mark".

Or the suggestion to their audience that assassination is a good option in the US concerning the recent election.

No sir Rooster, you are dealing with an individual that has close family connections with the boeremag and are no less fanatical than the worse Nazi skinhead.

The good news is that she has been completely outsmarted by some peace loving people that believe the pen is mightier than the sword. They have systematically stolen and subsequently deleted her Uhuru Guru identity as well peacefully demonstrating to her loyal fellow bloggers that the Uhuru Guru is an uncontrollable sick psycho who has now leaked their personal information to several people on the internet.

Fortunately for them these people work with honorable standards and will not expose those named. That having been said who knows who else he has leaked the information to.

Having a dialog with the Uhuru Guru in fact only has forensic clinical value as the clinicians decide which one of the "isms" to ascribe to her obvious neurological and psychological disorder.

Anonymous said...

Quality. Not quantity. Rather post less if your entries are going to be crap.

No one cares about your job status, mate. We come here to read quality content and not about how you plan out your day. (You already set the benchmark by blogging anonymously.)

Sadly, you're going downhill. Just about everything you blog is about racist nationalists.

You had your window. Cheers.

Anonymous said...

"Hey hey hey ! How many of you have a job, a business, 2 websites, are writing a book and manage to almost post a new blog post here everyday ????

And you still call me unoriginal ?"

- yes. so because you do all that during the day, your blogging suddenly becomes original? what odd logic.

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"Sometimes there's only so much juice to go around folks. I mean I think all things considered I still put on a pretty decent blog."

- you used to, once upon a time. these days it's all about SAS and nothing else.

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"For fuck sakes...if you want to contribute and can do better then email your stuff me and i'll hapilly post your original content."

- ag shame, you feeling a bit battered? go wipe your tears. so now because you can't churn out quality articles, you turn the responsibility on to your readers? how embarrassing.

it's simple: write less-obsessed, better quality articles, or face the loss of readers.

The Rooster said...

Well I'm sorry if you don't like everything I have to offer. I previously said I try and put out one or two quality articles a week and fillers on the other days. for no other reason that I enjoy the debates and writing is my catharsis. I make no money from doing this so instead of your bitching and complaining try be more positive with your feedback. to disgree with my ideas is one thing , but to bitch because I'm not pandering to your personal interests is quite another. The window is open for you to put forward your ideas....and if they interest me i will no doubt write about them.

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Well the writer of those emails said i could use his/her name anyway..so if you've guessed it it's no crime.

The Rooster said...

Some people come here for the witty/humour stuff. Some come here for the political stuff. Some for the aids/crime conspiracy stuff, ...and then some come for the S.A.S beefing stuff. They're invested in one side or the other and want to see the fight play out. I would drive my self mad if i tried to please everyone. But anyway...I do appreciate and respect the fact i enjoy an active and pretty decent readership. But I can only do so much. Once again , if you're interested in my view on something just ask me and i'll oblige....or write about it yourself and i'll post it up. i'm not scared of a little competition...I welcome it !

Anonymous said...

"Well I'm sorry if you don't like everything I have to offer. "

- dude, "everything you have to offer" is your obsession with SAS, or how shit other countries are.

that's about it. it used to be a lot more diverse.

Anonymous said...

actually, i'd question the true reflection of your readership. with a 3/10 page rank, majority of it can be attributed to SAS readers. the minority are obviously non-SAS readers.

unless you're happy with your readers being the SAS crowd, of course.

Sonja said...

Did you know that there was an interesting individual who was spokesperson for the Boeremag called Fred Rundle.

It's not a secret it's in the public domain - just google him.

The Rooster said...

A fair comment. I did not intend to make another anti S.a.s post, but I just didn't have time to play today, so i posted something I thought would be interesting to some of you. There are at least 50 ideas I've got backlogged at anytime that i want to write about. It's just a matter of finding the time the last few weeks. But things slow up nicely for me as the season kicks in so you can expect more from this blog.

Ok..now back on topic. I can onl;y be civil for so long before the "fuck your mothers" show their ugly head.

The Rooster said...

Nah. The majority of my readers are civil polite individuals who don't want to be associated with the likes of S.A.S or me.

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Did you know that there was an interesting individual who was spokesperson for the Boeremag called Fred Rundle.

It's not a secret it's in the public domain - just google him.

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Nope. I don't want to go down the personal route though. I do defend their rights to have their opinion , as long as their opinions don't infringe upon the rights or freedoms of others.

Anonymous said...

"I do defend their rights to have their opinion , as long as their opinions don't infringe upon the rights or freedoms of others."

- then you don't defend their rights. to say you do is a fallacy.

also, an opinion is nothing more. how in the world can an opinion infringe upon the rights or freedoms of others? what nonsense.

ACTIONS can infringe, yes. but not opinions. if I think you're a faggot, it doesn't infringe on your rights or freedoms. but if i stated it in a blog, then perhaps you have a case, since typing it is an action and no longer an opinion.

that said, while i don't agree with SAS, i do believe that freedom of speech and movements trumps all else.

malema, for eg, should not be gagged. while he is acting irresponsibly, it is his freedom to express his views. it is the responsibility, then, of the receivers of his views to express their views about him.

no one is silenced. all have free speech.

Ron. said...

While I do not defend the U G - there is just one problem with your assessment Susan & that is the Boeremag does not even exist. To date none of the accused have ever been found guilty of a single thing. The alleged leader was outed as a double agent with ties to the CIA. [1] Boerevolk liaison to the media Edwin Leemans noted in an interview with an American shortwave program that the term Boeremag was coined by the media & documents note the term was coined by the State. The bomb which was attributed to them within a dodgy & unauthenticated letter was in fact military grade hence further casting significant doubt on case against the accused.

1. Alleged Boeremag leader linked to CIA, court told.

The establishment of this group has never been verified nor have the terse messages attributed to the alleged group ever been authenticated making any pronouncement of an actual group with the said name premature to say the least.

Ron. said...

While I do not defend the U G - there is just one problem with your assessment Susan & that is the Boeremag does not even exist. To date none of the accused have ever been found guilty of a single thing. The alleged leader was outed as a double agent with ties to the CIA. [1] Boerevolk liaison to the media Edwin Leemans noted in an interview with an American shortwave program that the term Boeremag was coined by the media & documents note the term was coined by the State. The bomb which was attributed to them within a dodgy & unauthenticated letter was in fact military grade hence further casting significant doubt on case against the accused.

1. Alleged Boeremag leader linked to CIA, court told.

The establishment of this group has never been verified nor have the terse messages attributed to the alleged group ever been authenticated making any pronouncement of an actual group with the said name premature to say the least.

Anonymous said...

So rooster, if all other countries are so shit and SA is so good, better than the best...then surely you are a Chauvinist. Grossly over Patriotic. In Fact I would say you are a Nationalist. No....too many socialist ideas....wait Now it makes sense. Rooster is a National Socialist...Rooster is a Fuckin Nazi. At his own admission.

Anonymous said...

Say Rooster...If it is such a tiny minority of blacks causing all these murders and rapes against whites...then it should be no problem for the police to catch these few bastards and our problems will be solved !!!

Are you starting to agree with SAS that the police are useless and their ANC bosses criminals?

Anonymous said...

Further Rooster...If environment plays such a big role determining how successful nations are...Then how do you explain the Mayans and Inkas who built Magnificent Temples cities and pyramids, as opese to blacks who never progressed further than mud huts. They are both from tropical rainforests. Likewise with the temples of Thailand and Cambodia, Ankor Wat...People from tropical rainforests built that. Only the Black African was never capable of evolvement.

Likewise if White people from Europe comes from colder climates and that was the reason why they are more successful, then why were the North American Indians and Eskimos so primative by the time whites discovered them?

Like I showed with these three comments above...Your entire argument against the UG falls flat. You have no sense of logic or original thought. You spew a load of bollocks on your blog and tap yourself on the shoulder thinking, "Great Job Rooster, You are such a stud"...But the truth is the more you type the more you bliksem your name with a plank. Fuck you are embarrasing yourself and those that know you closely.

Idiot! Keep it up, I enjoy debunking your shit. You are a laugh a minute and typical Liberal brainwashed, illogical fool. BWAHAHAHAHA....Doos.

Anonymous said...

So.. I'm doing research for a paper on South African politics, and let me just say that the more research I do, the more confused I get, especially with all the recent news articles being doom-and-gloom and many of your posts being "yay SA!" Keep up your fight against the SAS people.. I've never seen that much hateful bile in text before, it's really shocking.

The Rooster said...

I do defend their rights to have their opinion , as long as their opinions don't infringe upon the rights or freedoms of others."

- then you don't defend their rights. to say you do is a fallacy.

also, an opinion is nothing more. how in the world can an opinion infringe upon the rights or freedoms of others? what nonsense.


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Total freedom of speech is a nice idea. But tota inpracticle and not legal by the way. Fredom of speech should not be abused to insight hate or propogate violence against anyone. Pragmatically surely we can all see how S.A.s crosses that line...or mister Malema for example.

The Rooster said...

Say Rooster...If it is such a tiny minority of blacks causing all these murders and rapes against whites...then it should be no problem for the police to catch these few bastards and our problems will be solved !!!

Are you starting to agree with SAS that the police are useless and their ANC bosses criminals?

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Firstly it's a myth that all murders against whites are by black people. One in three women is murdered by her boyfriend/husband for example. Secondly whites are rich and racist and targeted for that reason. Money is motivating factor for a gross majority of racial murders. These torture cases...whuile shocking , are extremely rare. Do some research of your own. It's a total myth that anyone wakes up and decides "hey let's kill a white person" . It is a tiny minority that does not in any way represent your average black south african.

I don't think we have the greatest police force in the world. But even in 1992 before the A.N.C the police were only 40% whites people and still useless in preventing crime...which peaked between that time and around 1994 by the way. The useless police make up all walks of south african life so why has it got anything to do with race ?

The crime rate keeps coming down so I'll offer some credit where ut's due. I also don't expect them to put their life on the line for the crappy pay they get. That low pay encourages corruption.

As a final thought i kind of like the crap lazy police...if you've ever lived in the states or canada you'd know what fascists the police can potentially be. I don't want to get anyone in trouble but I could tell you some great stories about hanging out with cops.

The Rooster said...

So.. I'm doing research for a paper on South African politics, and let me just say that the more research I do, the more confused I get, especially with all the recent news articles being doom-and-gloom and many of your posts being "yay SA!" Keep up your fight against the SAS people.. I've never seen that much hateful bile in text before, it's really shocking.

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Cheers mate. I try not to be too "gung ho pro south africa" because I think nationalism is stupid. Just reading the newspapers and scarmongers on the web you'd swear we were weading through pools of aids infested blood just to go to work everyday. And the fear breeds mnore neurosis and eveyones got their head shoved in the fear trough. I'm just saying...S.A has problems...but come on....it's a nice place to live !

The Rooster said...

So.. I'm doing research for a paper on South African politics, and let me just say that the more research I do, the more confused I get, especially with all the recent news articles being doom-and-gloom and many of your posts being "yay SA!" Keep up your fight against the SAS people.. I've never seen that much hateful bile in text before, it's really shocking.

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Wow...you just talking yourself into a corner !!!

It's well documented that the egyptian civilisation started when the groups of people migratred north along the nile when the sahara desert formed. This mix of diverse people , many black came together to form the egyptian civilisation. Those people in africa who were below the sahard (sub saharan africa) wwere seperated by the dessert yiou could not cross from the egyptians and northern african civilisations (who benefitted with their proxomuity to the middle east , not europe,...europeans were still in caves ) and thus developed slower.


fuck sakes...do some reseach before you make yourself look dumb. This 100% backs up that's it;s about environment.

The Rooster said...

Likewise if White people from Europe comes from colder climates and that was the reason why they are more successful, then why were the North American Indians and Eskimos so primative by the time whites discovered them?


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Once again Evironment !!!

There are hundreds of examples of people of the same races fairing greatly differently in things like iq tests despite being the same race anbd interbreeding until very recently. The protestant and catholic irish. The dutch and english south africans. People of differences classes in england ...it's a huge list. Not to mention twin studies and the fact that there is no geteic difference between human races...

fuck sakes....why do you bring up a 100 year old idea that science has firmly trodden into the ground now ??????? It's a fucking stupid idea at that.

Anonymous said...

@ Susan 18 November 2008 05:34:

I don't think a woman could be quite that sick, although Dark Raven comes in quite close. She is too clearly out of it to be a calculated sociopath like Ugly Guy though.

SAS is a concerted effort by a bunch of dangerous sociopaths who are out for money and control. They are hacking into computers and private information to blackmail and extort.

That's their real agenda. The racism is just for "fun".

Anonymous said...

@ Rooster re Anonymous:

Read Isaiah Chapter 59: both parts.

18 November 2008 04:41
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I don't mean to terrorise you with that particular chapter.

I would also rather burn in hell than obey some god that threatens to make my life hell in any case.

People have used god for their own purposes for thousands of years, to manipulate and terrorise.

Still doesn't alter the fact that there is a just god. And he's on your side.

Forget about the bad press god has been getting. It goes with the territory.

Anonymous said...

176 years for Skierlik killer Johan Nell is a step in the "right" direction.

This nineteen year old kid suddenly looks like a shrunken, shrivelled old man, locked into his hormonally challenged eyes for the rest of his pathetic existence.

But why reserve the sentence for Johan Nell only? He was raised on hate speech, and sustained by hate speech compliments of S.A.S.

Why are these hate speakers on the now defunct S.A.S. not being rounded up for their complicity in inciting this insane lout to murder?

They are bound to spring up with yet another hate blog again - they have done this several times before. So what's to stop them from doing it again?

Here's a solution: divide another 176 years in jail between all those murderous loudmouths at S.A.S.: Uhuru Guru, Dark Raven, Doodler, Dante, Uncle Cracker, Snowy Smith, Magnus (aka Marsining, a poser artist living illegally in the UK), the charming Carina, K4hater, He of Difficult Days to Come, Truthsayer, etc etc ad nauseam, and give them all time in SA jails, so they can experience that everyday rush of adrenalin that comes from true freedom fighting?

Come on, all you loyal expats who are so "concerned" about what happens to white South Africans deported back here. Let's see y'all, right here on these shores.

This invitation is also extended to that wonderful, caring compatratiot who aliases as Censorbugbear. Leave Mata Hari land behind, and welcome back to your native roots.

Holland is such a boring, safe little country. Much more exciting in South Africa, where everybody can see what you have been hiding behind that ugly yap of yours.