tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post3819217933783302763..comments2023-09-29T10:40:21.283+02:00Comments on Shut up Whitey: Why blacks don't vote for the D.A.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-8893513304008307842011-06-21T13:04:26.377+02:002011-06-21T13:04:26.377+02:00I do know this : Rooster likes to mirror bigotery ...I do know this : Rooster likes to mirror bigotery back at bigots, he has a wierd sense of humour, he gets highly frustrated at repeated flawed arguments and he had some very unpleasant encounters with the SAS-crowd.<br /><br />_____________<br /><br />Couldn't have said it better myself. Everyone is being so nice today that it almost makes me regret treating my readers like such a twat<br /><br />. Almost.The Roosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16969529144574975152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-65091418768454375402011-06-21T10:37:37.702+02:002011-06-21T10:37:37.702+02:00Oh yes, forgot to say :
I do know this : Rooster ...Oh yes, forgot to say :<br /><br />I do know this : Rooster likes to mirror bigotery back at bigots, he has a wierd sense of humour, he gets highly frustrated at repeated flawed arguments and he had some very unpleasant encounters with the SAS-crowd.Boertjienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-63991470865748444732011-06-21T10:23:46.166+02:002011-06-21T10:23:46.166+02:00Hi Anon
In my opinion, Prokofiev is the heavy met...Hi Anon<br /><br />In my opinion, Prokofiev is the heavy metal/sokkie of classical music. I'm very prejudiced about trying to listen to Prokofiev.<br /><br />And about angry music, I once read that Franz Liszt sometimes broke the piano. I can't claim such a victory, but I have snapped strings before. :-D<br /><br />Me mocking myself : I said "crawl" because my brain is not that spacious! <:O)<br /><br />And I didn't mean to try to character assasinate Rooster. It's REALLY just me trying to help in my own little way.Boertjienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-60815311975861129302011-06-17T19:03:07.233+02:002011-06-17T19:03:07.233+02:00Actually, I was hoping for a laugh. You did pick s...Actually, I was hoping for a laugh. You did pick some of the riper berries but as I say, you are still learning about irony. Boertjie, the only way you could irritate me is if your response was in the form of a rap jingle. You did interest me, with your "advice" for Rooster. It's not often you see a character assassination with diplomatic immunity - and now I don't have to gate crash, great, but if you don't mind I prefer to stroll than crawl.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Leave that classical stuff alone for a while and play some angry jazz. When the notes don't go all the way across the page there is some space for a little malice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-90972543095198235652011-06-17T11:26:42.335+02:002011-06-17T11:26:42.335+02:00Hi Anonymous
You really made me smile! I sure got...Hi Anonymous<br /><br />You really made me smile! I sure got you irritated without even meaning to do it! Don't get so worked up, it's bad for your health! :-D<br /><br /><br />"It's more than likely that the threat you feel is just your brain acknowledging the fact that it may need to do some work outside of it's comfortable paradigm."<br /><br />I note the room for alternatives in your words "more than likely".<br /><br />Then I note you use the word "fact" instead of something like "possibility".<br /><br />I note the absence of a question mark in the abovequoted quote.<br /><br />Still seems to me you made up your mind about me before giving me the chance to answer.<br /><br />Hence I encouraged you to try and crawl around inside my little boer-brain, to see things through my eyes. What do you have to lose? You only get yet another perpective to add to your database of different perspectives to form opinions on. You can't lose here. Even if I have nothing of worth to say, you can still at least learn from a bad example and how my psychology works.<br /><br /><br />"mind numbing, long winded explanations"<br /><br />Can't help it. I'm a perfectionist. Would you rather have me just say stuff without thouroughly trying motivating it? That's not a rhetorical question.<br /><br /><br />"has been downgraded to "thorny""<br /><br />Analogously (is that spelt right?) a lie can be "downgraded" to a white lie. Ignorance can be "downgraded" to lack of knowledge. Impatience can be "downgraded" to irritation. Do you want a mind-numbing and long-winded explanation?<br /><br /><br />"symphony of bullshit"<br /><br />Good observation! You've seen that I'm a pianist! You've seen the musicality in me! :-D<br /><br /><br />"so fragile a nut"<br /><br />Are you talking here about the radical-righteys or me? If its the latter then I say : Great progress! You have seen that I care about my own and other people's feelings.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />"that Rooster is a closet psycopath"<br /><br />Nice! First you have asserted I downgraded "maliciousness" to "thornyness" and now YOU upgrade my view of Rooster to that! BTW, I've clearly seen how mightily frustrated Rooster gets when people take what he says out of context. And betraying how your emotions cloud your ability to see clearly : you seemingly didn't even pick up the clue I left you as to what my problem with Rooster is. Try again.<br /><br />And besides, its between me and Rooster. I know I have a nasty habit of being like a irritating little chihuahua nipping at at a persons heels. Therefore I'll only write more specifically about this if Rooster thinks I'll be fair in my views and if he asks me to.<br /><br /><br />Come on, Anon, be a little nicer and I'll frustrate you a little less. :-)<br /><br />Peace and good intentionsBoertjienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-41297550637769569842011-06-15T19:08:52.980+02:002011-06-15T19:08:52.980+02:00Boertjie, if you don't know a point blank ques...Boertjie, if you don't know a point blank question when you see one then let me try to invoke an answer from you.<br /><br /> <br /><br />In my experience self-praise is no recommendation and best left for others to decide but let's go with your "analytical and thinking guy" ascription. The previous posts you've alibied your literalistic mind with betrays a vast ignorance of the ironic mind. Sure, you have no problem with identifying irony in its basic form (and making certain we all "get it" with mind numbing, long winded explanations) but you seem to have confused maliciousness - which I see now has been downgraded to "thorny" - with an ironic take. Rooster may poke the dog with a stick for time to time to see if its a biter but you don't have to look very far to gauge the real nature of the person.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Not very far indeed, just look at the warm reception he gave your symphony of bullshit. While I'm sure he had a slight chuckle to himself at the naivety of it, he chose (correctly in my mind) to praise the one worthy aspect of the whole novel, the fact that you are thinking about it; and that's no small thing on this page so frequented by right-wing-nuts. Fortunately, this is not my blog so I don't have to worry about taking so large a hammer to so fragile a nut. So, lets have it, your best reason for suggesting that Rooster is a closet psycopath. He is a big boy; I'm sure he won't mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-39574283832665029072011-06-14T10:12:11.826+02:002011-06-14T10:12:11.826+02:00"As an interested observer, how exactly is th..."As an interested observer, how exactly is this clear to you? Was it just a "feeling" you had or can you point to something specific? It's more than likely that the threat you feel is just your brain acknowledging the fact that it may need to do some work outside of it's comfortable paradigm. "<br /><br />Firstly, it ought to be clear that I'm a pretty analytical and thinking guy. This should be evident from my posts. Also see my long post under "So its over, i win".<br /><br />Regarding that something thorny I see inside Rooster...you obviously read my views on ethics and compassion and you can see ("feel"?) how I feel about these things. I assume you're familiar with Rooster's writings and the attitude he assumes. To keep to my resolution to not become a pain in Rooster's ass, I won't point to specific examples unless he asks me to.<br /><br />I'm not sure you really want an answer as to why I feel the way I do about Rooster, because it seems you have answered your own question already.<br /><br />If you really want an answer...ask yourself "WHY does Boertjie think so?" And please don't grab onto the first answer that springs to mind. I'm a complicated guy!:-)<br /><br />Come on, carefully ask yourself "WHY?". And think carefully before coming to a conclusion.<br /><br />SincerelyBoertjienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-88274130714956676892011-06-12T19:20:44.597+02:002011-06-12T19:20:44.597+02:00It is clear to me : your intentions are noble, but...It is clear to me : your intentions are noble, but there is something malicious inside of you. I feel you should take the time to look into yourself to get to the bottom of this.<br /><br />-----------------------<br />As an interested observer, how exactly is this clear to you? Was it just a "feeling" you had or can you point to something specific? It's more than likely that the threat you feel is just your brain acknowledging the fact that it may need to do some work outside of it's comfortable paradigm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-22530757976258221622011-06-12T18:12:45.563+02:002011-06-12T18:12:45.563+02:00I think the philosophical reasoning that states th...I think the philosophical reasoning that states that we can never be certain of anything is sound (although I can't be certain that I'm not certain - I think) but should be ignored directly after it is acknowledged. It's wearisome and counter productive to have to refer to it every time we have an idea. So acknowledgement made, and on to the thought - which may or may not be right. <br /> <br /> <br />Rooster, I could agree with you on Dualism but then we would both be wrong. I would say that the body almost certainly creates the mind in the same way that the deployment of a photon generator, a couple of plates and a photo sensitive screen determine the results of the quantum double slit experiment. A probability amplitude can not manifest without those ridged physical properties being first in place and likewise, qualities like empathy, imagination and qualia can not come, in tact, from "that other dimension". The equipment determines the nature of the experiment/thought. Evolution developed the hall of mirrors that is our brain over eons and it's the physical brain that determines our thoughts. This is demonstrable through mountains of medical experimentation and physical evidence. Pinch one part of the brain and the names of mammals are suddenly forgotten or you suddenly have a strong attraction for the colour green etc. Our brain is like a puppet master, teasing quantum fluctuations to do its bidding in the way a child plays with a jar full of fireflies. I think this unhappy marriage is what gives the mind its apparent transcendent nature- physical properties evolving alongside quantum phenomena. It's a union , not a division; two parts of the same pie.<br /> <br />I suppose you could advance the fact that, in that case, our physical environment determines the evolution and properties of our brain and we could dive into new age hippie speak about being one with the universe and all that but there I get a little lost so lets leave it alone.<br /> <br />That aside, the point I was advancing (before I bore you to death) is that superstition is not real knowledge. With real knowledge comes perspective; the sort of perspective that arranges trifling observations like the shade of a persons skin somewhere near the bottom of our prioritise. You have that perspective but our countrymen seem to have opted for the scratch and sniff method of acquiring knowledge. Humans have woken up in our universe and considering what is on offer I laugh (and cry a bit) at the preoccupation some people have with the subject of race. I'm sure if some clever mathematician could come up with an equation of just how predictable our troubles in South Africa are it would be analogous with an equation predicting the condition of a farmers crop after the demolition derby took a wrong turn into it. The way forward is to resow that land with the seeds of critical thinking before weeds of circular stupidity that states things like, "don't mind me, I'm only on a mission for god" or "the nature of a person is solely determined by his race" take hold. <br /> <br />I do take a hard line on atheism because theism is stupid. If it/they ever turned out to be correct I would have to simply give up trying to determine anything. It can not be believed by a thinking person (one thinking critically about theism that is). There is a chance for deism but no evidence for it along with a very low probability. Cultural relativism is divisive and rational thinking needs to start kicking ass if we every want to climb out of the coal pit together. If racism is a symptom of stupidity then lets treat for stupidity.<br /> <br />OK, I just realised that I'm waffling on and I don't know how to make my point so I will just say two more things to anybody reading this and then stop - pseudo-intellectuals get more pussy than you do - and - Boertjie, after careful consideration, it turns out that you are suffering from exposure to stupidity and not black people. May I recommend the Antarctic.<br /> <br />R.H.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-59994420107293352232011-06-09T13:53:51.575+02:002011-06-09T13:53:51.575+02:00It is clear to me : your intentions are noble, but...It is clear to me : your intentions are noble, but there is something malicious inside of you. I feel you should take the time to look into yourself to get to the bottom of this. <br /><br />______________<br /><br />It's nothing more that irritation with the repitition of lawed logic and baseless propoganda I have to counter punch against. There's nothing malicious inside me at all and I have demontsrated this countless times in the history of this blog.The Roosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16969529144574975152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-39961914139411875542011-06-09T13:04:14.180+02:002011-06-09T13:04:14.180+02:00Hi Rooster, Dachshund
Firstly, I see how intidy m...Hi Rooster, Dachshund<br /><br />Firstly, I see how intidy my post is. Its the gremlins that did it. I type my stuff in notepad (with wordwrap on and using the enter-key only for spacing between paragraphs). Dunno how the paragraphing got screwed up.<br /><br />And secondly, I quote myself "Achieving something to be proud of requires effort, preservation and responsibility."<br /><br />I meant to say "perseverance" instead of "preservation". The CPU between my ears was overheating at the time I typed that...<br /><br />Anthropology and Maslow...I'm looking into it. My morals-posts was more an attempt at expressing and explaining my own personal values and understanding of these things rather than an attempt at an academic discussion. At this time my understanding of people is based solely on personal experiences. And this I say with confidence : I have a good understanding of how people's feelings work.<br /><br />Rooster quote : "Don't believe the hype. Rooster is not a bad person , he's actually an extremely smart and kind person."<br /><br />Okay, I accept it. You mean well. Your intentions are good. My defensive shields were up because you come across as a person who are quick to judge someone (and I do take the context into account when you say something). Plus the views and conclusions I expressed have a nasty way of making me the bad guy.<br /><br />I just have this to say about what I see about you and then I'll leave it at that... It is clear to me : your intentions are noble, but there is something malicious inside of you. I feel you should take the time to look into yourself to get to the bottom of this. And to get it out of yourself. I don't mean you should try to change who you are (someone with a fiery personality), just neutralize those traces of toxin in you. I don't want to creep around inside your head or anything, it's just that I care... OK, to avoid becoming a pain in the ass, I won't press on this anymore from my side.<br /><br />Rooster Quote : "Please copy and re paste any questions you want specifically answered and I will be happy to do so."<br /><br />I want to ask you two (off-topic) questions:<br /><br />First question about your take on how morality works... Let's take something simple like lying when you're not pressured to do so. I think everyone can agree that this is "wrong". Now, Rooster, how do you think morality/ethics/justice/etc work so that this is wrong?<br /><br />Second question about something that seems to fit in the fields of anthropology and evolution...Do you have any opinions/ideas/knowlegde regarding the origin of music and, in particular, the origin of humans' capacity/ability for it? An example of the kind of things I'd like you to bear in mind: minor keys generally sound sad and major keys doesn't.<br /><br />I'm really curious to see your views on these two things...<br /><br />Oh, and while I'm at music, here's some examples of the kind of classical music I find people usually like, regardless of their particular taste in music (translation: maybe you'll enjoy them):<br /><br />- Impromptu D899 no. 3 AKA Impromptu Opus 90 No. 3 By Franz Schubert<br />- Nocturne Opus 27 No 2 By Chopin<br />- Turkish March by Beethoven/Rubinstein (especially the Evgeny Kissin recording)<br />- Nessun Dorma by Puccini<br /><br />Find them on Youtube.<br /><br />Peace, love, a lazyboy chair & hot chocolateBoertjienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-19631052197654883632011-06-07T11:27:42.899+02:002011-06-07T11:27:42.899+02:00Boertjie, could you please edit your sentences for...Boertjie, could you please edit your sentences for spacing before posting? Reading your posts is like wading through haiku soup with a tea strainer.Katzenjammerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14075423195892830101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-75651709060762251702011-06-06T13:56:49.609+02:002011-06-06T13:56:49.609+02:00Hey "boertjie".
Accodmodate and assimul...Hey "boertjie".<br /><br />Accodmodate and assimulate this : I love your posts. You show me that you are thinking. You show me you are fair. You point our valid insjutices. No where except in the imagination of the far right have I tried to say South Africa is perfect or even on the right track. <br /><br /><br />For the first few posts you made (and there is a lot to rspond to) I ask have you ever read Maslow and his hierarchy of needs ? Perhaps do that. The social sciences go a long way to explain many of the "morals" silly people get worked up about. Even betterb read some anthropology and get a slice of social relativism. You're young, but you are learning. I've no doubt a man who displays such an open mind and tolerance will end up on my side when he gets the necessary information. <br /><br />Sorru I couldn't respond to your entire 10 part post. Please copy and re paste any questions you want specifically answered and I will be happy to do so. I'm very comfortable that my world views is the best possible one to have and extremely eager to indoctrinate you and general humanity into it. Don't believe the hype. Rooster is not a bad person , he's actually an extremely smart and kind person. People need to rather sit back and listen sometimes than spew thier filth.The Roosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16969529144574975152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-21067825960611961952011-06-06T10:36:52.480+02:002011-06-06T10:36:52.480+02:00Again, I've thought long and hard about these ...Again, I've thought long and hard about these things. So, Rooster, if don't agree with me, then don't spew your poison all over me. Rather explain to me why the reasons that I feel the way I do is invalid.<br /><br />Try to treat me the way I try to treat you, okay?Boertjienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-775136750255772252011-06-06T10:32:11.400+02:002011-06-06T10:32:11.400+02:00[Part 9 of 9]
As ive said : racism thats not abou...[Part 9 of 9]<br /><br />As ive said : racism thats not about race...<br /><br />Well, Khaya...I hope you're not too steaming mad at me right now, because what I've written is in no way meant to <br /><br />hurt you or your people. Its just me being honest. And i've tried being as non-offensive as possible. You value <br /><br />honesty, don't you? And what I've written isn't even the complete picture of what I see and experience...<br /><br />I also do know there is (and personally know) very decent black people. I know that every ethnic group has its good <br /><br />people and scum. I just see and experience too many bad things from black people to not generally expect bad things <br /><br />from them. I can't feel so strongly about morality and compassion and NOT feel so resentful about all of these <br /><br />things!<br /><br />Do you perhaps think I like disrespecting blacks? The answer would be I really don't want things to be like this. <br /><br />Who wants live like this? I really want things to be different. But sadly, this is the reality.<br /><br />I also have to emphasize that I'm not blind to my own fellow-whites' dark actions. You don't make a video of black <br /><br />people eating soup a white supposedly pee'd in. Thats dispicable. You don't call a black person a k***** in his <br /><br />face. You treat EVERYONE with due respect. And remember, I said DUE respect.<br /><br />So as you hopefully can understand, there are reasons why us "racist" whiteys feel the way we do. Just as you have <br /><br />reasons why you feel the way you do.<br /><br />Apartheid...how many whites were actual bad-asses? Was it everyone, or just the government and their staunch <br /><br />supporters? Who were the bad guysactually?<br /><br />So, here's to mutual understanding, honesty, objective views and good morals<br /><br />Boertjie.Boertjienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-79901687674082013682011-06-06T10:31:45.181+02:002011-06-06T10:31:45.181+02:00[Part 8 of 9]
We are vilified unfairly
----------...[Part 8 of 9]<br /><br />We are vilified unfairly<br />------------------------<br /><br />Let me start off with another personal experience. The abovementioned singing-competition...there were three <br /><br />speeches made during the day. During one speech the guy expressed dissappointment because it was only blacks who <br /><br />took part in this competition. He said this is not pre-1994. Many of us whiteys can't relate to black culture (like <br /><br />the MC speaking over a waaay-too-loud soundsystem, and music played so loud over the soundsystem that I couldn't <br /><br />hear the piano I was playing as hard as I could...). So this guy vilified whites who prefer not to take part in a <br /><br />mostly-black competition, regard less of why whites don't like to take part...<br /><br />You know the general feeling that whites who don't want to mix & mingle with blacks are considered/accused of <br /><br />resisting change? We tend to get vilified as rightwingers for this.<br /><br />Some (not all!) blacks' conduct<br />-------------------------------<br /><br />Black protesters and strikers often turn aggressive and violent. Do you remember last year's post-soccer strikes? Do <br /><br />you remember when the teachers went on strike, and intimidated those who wanted to go to school? Do you remember <br /><br />when the hospital-staff went on strike and volunteers had to care for patients? And when salary-increases are <br /><br />negotiated, strikers often staunchly reject raises that I would be just too thankful for!<br /><br />Then there are the little things I experience...when driving, sometimes a black wants to cross the street. He sees <br /><br />me coming, he sees I'm close, but he steps in front of me and crosses the street anyway.<br /><br />At stop-signs, sometimes black people start walking slower when in front of me while crossing the street. (Hmmm, but <br /><br />thinking about this...it seems this is happening less to me nowadays...)<br /><br />At the supermarket-till, when I was handed my change, the young black guy behind me realised he was a rand or two <br /><br />short for what he wanted to buy. So he told (not asked) me to give him my change!<br /><br />My mother was in the hospital for spinal-surgery. She told me at one instance, when she called from her bed for help <br /><br />with something to one of the (black) hospital staff that was walking by, the nurse replied that they "were busy". <br /><br />They were busy chatting in the halls!<br /><br />And the big one : the ANC<br />-------------------------<br /><br />The ANC is anti-white.<br /><br />The ANC softhandles Mr Malema, they are very reluctant in speaking out against Uncle Bob up north, they try to <br /><br />reason with Uncle Bob, they try to reason with the terrorist Gadaffi...<br /><br />Corruption, tenderpreneurship and nepotism...<br /><br />Poor government...<br /><br />And despite all of this, MOST BLACK PEOPLE STILL SUPPORT THE ANC!<br /><br /> * * *Boertjienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-58990557886036418232011-06-06T10:31:19.009+02:002011-06-06T10:31:19.009+02:00[Part 7 of 9]
Your choice of who you vote for
---...[Part 7 of 9]<br /><br />Your choice of who you vote for<br />-------------------------------<br /><br />Things are much more cold and stark here. I don't know which political party you support. All I can reasonably <br /><br />assume is that you don't support the DA.<br /><br />You want your people to have the chance to prove themselves. The softest way I can think of to say how things are, <br /><br />is this : The ANC has been in power for 17 years now, with the majority of black people supporting them. They've <br /><br />built a track record. You have to be objective and honest to yourself when looking at their track record and decide <br /><br />for yourself what they have proven.<br /><br />When one's party governs well, the choice at the voting stations is easy. When one's party doesn't govern well, one <br /><br />feels one want to give them another chance. How many chances would you give your party if they don't govern well? <br /><br />How bad does government need to be before your concern for sound goverment outweighs your sentiments to your party?<br /><br />Remember, your choice of vote is an important choice. And accept your responsibility for your choice of vote!<br /><br /> * * *<br /><br />This was what I had to say about what you wrote.<br /><br />Now I want to tell you why I and many whites generally dislike black people. And remember what I said : much of SA's <br /><br />racism isn't about race.<br /><br />So why do many whiteys dislike darkies?<br /><br />Incompetence<br />------------<br /><br />And no, this isn't only a stereotype, its a reputation. And this doesn't apply to black people who are good at their <br /><br />jobs.<br /><br />ANC-municipal government is one big example that is known to everyone.<br /><br />And here is several personal experiences of mine:<br /><br />Some time ago I was to accompany a singing-competition on the piano (I'm a pianist). The event was organized by the <br /><br />Department of Education. The very polite and friendly black lady at the Department who organized the event phoned me <br /><br />two weeks before the occasion. I agreed on the accompanyment, under the impression that I would be accompanying only <br /><br />the local school's singers in the competition. Big surprise! I had to accompany all the singers who entered! And I <br /><br />had only two weeks to learn to play all the music! During the communication between me and the organizer-lady, I had <br /><br />to give her my fax number several times, a she repeatedly lost it. But the big shock came a few days before the <br /><br />competition. I learned that there wasn't a piano at the venue. I asked the lady about this and it came out that she <br /><br />assumed I was going to bring my own piano along!!!!!!! And I'm not making this up!!<br /><br />Another experience : I access the internet at the local library. Originally they had set up the internet on the <br /><br />computers without installing any antivirus-software!! By the time the computers didn't work anymore because of <br /><br />malware, they didn't format the harddrives and reinstall everything. No, they bought new computers!! I asked that <br /><br />they install antivirus-software and eventually they did. This antivirus proved to be very ineffective and pretty <br /><br />soon the computers were f'd up again. This time they reinstalled everything. But again no antivirus-software!! So <br /><br />Boertjie's frustration got the better of him and I asked Google how to get access to the administrators-account on <br /><br />the computers, I accessed the admin-accounts and downloaded and installed a good free AV. Since then the computers <br /><br />are mysteriously problem-free...<br /><br />Want more anecdotes?<br /><br />You can certainly understand how the stereotype of black people being incompetent came to be.Boertjienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-17729450695313411982011-06-06T10:30:41.972+02:002011-06-06T10:30:41.972+02:00[Part 6 of 9]
Sensitivity about race
------------...[Part 6 of 9]<br /><br />Sensitivity about race<br />----------------------<br /><br />Khaya Quote (via Rooster) :<br /><br />"I know this may seem like a contradiction when I said it has nothing to do with race. It seems like race, but it <br /><br />really doesn’t have to do with race even though everything seems black and white."<br /><br />This is called a paradox : something that seems like a contradiction but isn't.<br /><br />Anyway, this statement of yours is actually more universally true that you may realize. I think much of SA's racism <br /><br />isn't about race at all! More on this later...<br /><br />However, race has become a means to stereotype people (I'll elaborate on the reasons for this later). I personally <br /><br />know the resentment one feels when someone attaches bad attributes to you based on your race (or ethniticity, <br /><br />religion, etc).<br /><br />The best one can do is do the self-respect thing and be sure you are worthy of respect. If no-one respects you, then <br /><br />at least you know you dealt with any reasons they may have to not respect you.<br /><br />Wanting more understanding and compassion from whites<br />-----------------------------------------------------<br /><br />Very understandable. Judging by your writing, it seem you don't like many/most of the whites in SA. Especially the <br /><br />Afrikaners?<br /><br />Now what would your reaction be if I say to you that I (and others like me) want more understanding and compassion <br /><br />from blacks? You most probably have several reasons why you don't like whites (assuming I'm correct about my <br /><br />assumption of your dislike of whites). Racism that's not about race!<br /><br />I just want you to know there are reasons for whites/Afrikaners' coldness towards blacks. I'll share these reasons <br /><br />later.<br /><br />If you want more compassion from whites, make sure whites don't have legitimate reason to not be compassionate to you.Boertjienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-91489067776881220682011-06-06T10:30:09.919+02:002011-06-06T10:30:09.919+02:00[Part 5 of 9]
Apartheid-wounds
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...[Part 5 of 9]<br /><br />Apartheid-wounds<br />----------------<br /><br />Firstly, about apartheid. I'm too young to have seen it first-hand and to remember enough. I've read about it. But I <br /><br />have to be honest : I feel I don't really know what has happened. Most of what I read is so emotionally-charged and <br /><br />often one-sided (from both sides!), that I have little confidence in the asserted objectivity. So I feel I have to <br /><br />rely on anecdotal evidence from people who experienced it whom I know well enough personally to be able to judge <br /><br />their objectivity, neutrality and honesty. The result? Seems some things about apartheid were as bad as generally <br /><br />said. Some things were seemingly worse than generally said. Some things weren't as bad as generally said. And some <br /><br />things are just plain lies.<br /><br />Distrusting whites post-apartheid is understandable enough. But something you said bothers me :<br /><br />Khaya quote (via Rooster): "The scars are still too raw. Still too painful."<br /><br />I think you typed this blog-post yourself (apart from the title and the first sentence). I think so because the <br /><br />writing-style seems distinctly different from how Rooster writes. So I assume you have access to a computer and know <br /><br />how to operate a computer. Working from here I make the leap-assumption that you do live at least an acceptable <br /><br />living-standard? Is my very venturous assumption correct? I hope so.<br /><br />When you talk about the still-painful apartheid-scars, I assume you talk for other people as well as for yourself?<br /><br />Now...what happened to you that the scars are still painful? After 17 years still painful? Is it really the scars <br /><br />that are painful, or do you just use the scars-pain to express bad feelings brought on by non-apartheid <br /><br />events/issues? Are you not perhaps nurturing painful feelings rather than try to work through and past them? Don't <br /><br />you find any consolation/healing in the fact that your people have been "free" for 17 years now? That there has been <br /><br />a growing black middle class? Aren't you perhaps feeling just at least a bit too sorry for yourself? Aren't you <br /><br />perhaps the victim of the ANC constantly reminding people about apartheid? How much are you doing on your side to <br /><br />help heal your wounds?<br /><br />I realise (if my experience is anything to go by) that I'll now almost certainly be accused of unfair <br /><br />prejudice/bias/all sorts of nasty stuff. But that holds no relevancy to the validity of this whirl of questions. You <br /><br />don't have to answer these questions to me, but definitively to yourself. You have to answer these questions <br /><br />HONESTLY to yourself.<br /><br />To put my concern in one sentence : 17 years and you still say the scars are "raw" and "painful"?Boertjienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-2264988693098155072011-06-06T10:29:36.578+02:002011-06-06T10:29:36.578+02:00[Part 4 of 9]
You may be asking why I felt like I...[Part 4 of 9]<br /><br />You may be asking why I felt like I needed to share all of this. There are several reasons :<br /><br />- Understanding these things may help you understand just how important these things really are.<br /><br />- Understanding these things may help you understand people better.<br /><br />- I needed to convey how close to the heart these things are to me. Hopefully you'll be able to better judge what <br /><br />kind of person I am.<br /><br />Now about what you wrote, Khaya...<br /><br /><br />Pride and respect...<br />--------------------<br /><br />All I can say is strive to be the best you can be given your talents, capabilities and situation. Start by making <br /><br />sure you are worthy of respect from other people and from yourself.<br /><br />Having high aspirations for and expectations from one's people is noble, but naive. One is almost certain to be <br /><br />disappointed in some aspect at some point in time. The best one can do is to be the best you can be, and try to <br /><br />motivate others to do the same. And to disassociate yourself from members of your own people who you really feel you <br /><br />can't agree with and can't influence to be better.<br /><br />You have a need to achieve something to be proud of. Achieving something to be proud of requires effort, <br /><br />preservation and responsibility. Use whatever talents and abilities you have to their full potential. If you do <br /><br />that, you already have reason to be proud of yourself.<br /><br />That being said, one should also try to be GOOD or at least adequete at what you do. This requires you to be honest <br /><br />about your capabilities. One's job/profession is a perfect example. If one can do one's job well, then great! If <br /><br />one's job-performance isn't up to standard, then just doing your best isn't good enough. One should try to gain the <br /><br />abilities (through study/practice/whatever) to do the job well. Alternatively, one should consider whether the job <br /><br />is right for you or not.<br /><br />Be the best you can be with your talents and abilities, be responsible and you have my respect in this regard.Boertjienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-57778325203940854882011-06-06T10:29:00.276+02:002011-06-06T10:29:00.276+02:00[Part 3 of 9]
Self-respect, responsibility in gen...[Part 3 of 9]<br /><br />Self-respect, responsibility in general<br />---------------------------------------<br /><br />Honest care for morality and inherent "goodness" I think has the trickle-down effect of making one a more <br /><br />responsible and self-respecting person. Responsibility and self-respect for the sake/purpose of right and wrong...<br /><br />Obviously, when you honestly care about right and wrong, you care about whether your own actions meets good moral <br /><br />standards. For this reason I think morality (and maybe also compassion) may most probably be the root of <br /><br />self-respect.<br /><br />Self-respect requires one to look at oneself and decide if one is worthy of one's own respect in the aspect of <br /><br />morality.<br /><br />The connection between responsibility and morality? For obvious and intuitive reasons, morality requires honesty. <br /><br />Responsibility means to own up (at least in your mind) to the consequences of the choices one make. Not doing this <br /><br />implies that you don't acknowledge your choices' consequences, that you deny something that is true. This means you <br /><br />are being, unknowingly or knowingly, dishonest towards at least yourself regarding your accounatbility for the <br /><br />choices you make.<br /><br />Obviously, self-respect and responsibility works together. I don't want to explain this now as my brain is getting <br /><br />really fatigued trying to wrap around anll these abstract stuff...<br /><br />Pride in general<br />----------------<br /><br />I certainly don't have to explain this to you. You clearly feel it. But pride requires responsibility and <br /><br />self-respect. Intuitively speaking, I think one ought to be the best one can be, given one's talents and <br /><br />capabilities. Self-respect and responsibility is inherent to pride.<br /><br />Intuition in general<br />--------------------<br /><br />This is something I almost want to call mysterious. One can, to at least some degree, intuitively distinguish <br /><br />between right and wrong. One doesn't always really know WHY something is wrong. You just somehow KNOW that its <br /><br />wrong.<br /><br />One can quickly "feel" what the connection between self-respect, responsibility, morality and compassion is. Yet it <br /><br />took me some very intense brainwork to (very inadequetly) understand and explain the connection.<br /><br />In this regard, I feel intuition truly can be described as a sixth sense.<br /><br /> * * *Boertjienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-51956962537097433372011-06-06T10:28:32.121+02:002011-06-06T10:28:32.121+02:00[Part 2 of 9]
Morality and compassion in general
...[Part 2 of 9]<br /><br />Morality and compassion in general<br />----------------------------------<br /><br />A person's compassion and morality (these go hand in hand) is most probably the determining factors when it comes to <br /><br />my respect/disrespect and like/dislike for a person. Right-and-wrong is a too complicated subject to adequetly <br /><br />discuss here. All I can say is I disrespect and a person who doesn't seriously care about right and wrong.<br /><br />And if a person does care about right-and-wrong, I still have to ask why exactly the person is concerned about it. I <br /><br />think people MAINLY care about right-and-wrong for one of these reasons :<br /><br />- because society/circumstances requires it from them.<br />- because its good for the self-esteem in a way.<br />- for the sake of right-and-wrong itself.<br /><br />Only the last reason for caring about morality is genuine concern for morality. The other two reasons both has a <br /><br />certain dishonesty/hypocrisy in them. If one cares about morality, one should make sure that it is for the right <br /><br />reasons.<br /><br />Compassion, love for thy neighbour, generally being "good" inside...I think this has an inherent care for morality. <br /><br />Again, the main motivation for this shouldn't be because society/circumstances requires it or because of one's <br /><br />self-image. The good feeling brought on by being "good" ought to be a bonus rather than a goal.<br /><br />The relationship between compassion and morality...this is kind-of a chicken-and-egg thing for me. I feel they both <br /><br />tend to "promote" each other. <br /><br />Compassion "encourages" morality. Compassion resents it when others are wronged and wants others to be treated <br /><br />fairly/right. This also causes you to look at yourself to make sure you don't wrong others. This is how I think <br /><br />compassion "encourages" morality.<br /><br />Morality "guides" compassion. Morality "decides" who one can be compassionate to, who needs tough love and who <br /><br />doesn't "deserve" compassion. It prevents you to being blind to others' flaws.<br /><br />As you can see, morality can be a "cage" to compassion, but this need not nessecarily be the case. One can <br /><br />accept/excuse/forgive a person's flaws if the person isn't knowingly and deliberately adhering to them. This, <br /><br />however, does leave one with a responsibility to try to help a person overcome his/her flaws, should they be <br /><br />unacceptable.<br /><br />I am a pretty forgiving guy, but that most certainly doesn't mean I'm blind to peoples flaws. If a person sins (is <br /><br />this the right word?) out of weakness, but is "good" inside, I handle the person with a much more gentle and <br /><br />unjudgemental attitude. But when someone is deliberate and/or knowing and willfull in malice and or wrongdoing, it <br /><br />REALLY gets up my nose and I have to greatly restrain myself if I'm going to try to handle/help such a person.<br /><br />Man, this is too a complicated and abstract subject to discuss adequetly here....but I guess you get what I'm trying <br /><br />to convey.<br /><br />So, I tend to group/associate/relate (can't find a fitting word) myself with people who are inherently "good" and <br /><br />have an honest concern for right and wrong, despite flaws they may have.Boertjienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-30477485906981465732011-06-06T10:27:55.320+02:002011-06-06T10:27:55.320+02:00[Part 1 of 9]
Greetings Rooster,Dachshund and Ano...[Part 1 of 9]<br /><br />Greetings Rooster,Dachshund and Anon<br /><br />Heres another ASCII-character-cloudburst for you to work through.<br /><br />Justice Malala (via Dachshund) : "There are consequences. If ANC leaders continue to condone such behaviour then the day is not far when minority groups will be targeted for attack. Leading the mobs will be the likes of Faku. Many will say this is alarmist talk. I say look at Rwanda and Nazi Germany, and remember that it all started when good men and women kept shtoom when the propaganda speeches were started by political leaders such as Faku."<br /><br />So here we have a black man expressing concerns very similar (if not exactly the same) to the concerns I have over genocidal elements in SA. I feel a glimmer of understanding coming my way that immediately gets smothered in my own cynicism. Does this make any sense to you, Rooster, Dachshund?<br /><br />Rooster, the rest of this post is an "open letter"- post to your buddy Khaya. Would you have him read this please?<br /><br /><br /><br />Khaya, here I am, a somewhat stereotypical Boer/Afrikaner with an un-stereotypical need to understand how things work (in this case, people's minds, thoughts and emotions) talking from the heart to you about a variety of issues dividing me and my people from you and your people. There is a lot of things I want to say. It has proven difficult to present my side of the story and my observations in an orderly easy-readable format. What you are reading here is no less than the third rewriting of what I want to say.<br /><br />On behalf of whom do I speak? I speak on behalf of myself and everyone who can identify and associate with me and my views.<br /><br />Why do I speak on this issue to you? Firstly, it is theraputic to express all this stuff.I really need to get this off my chest. Secondly, this is good opportunity to honestly speak to the "other side", because in the real world, as opposed to in cyberspace, I don't feel I can talk the way I do here without putting myself at risk of serious hostility. Even now, under my screen-name, I feel I'm sticking my neck out, because many of my (honest!) thoughts/views/feelings are resented if not outright hated in some circles.<br /><br />The essence of what you wrote seems to be this:<br /><br />1) You have a need to prove your worth, especially when being stereotyped as incompetent. As you say, it's about pride. You want people to respect you.<br /><br />2) You are very sensitive when things get racial. Apartheid-wounds.<br /><br />3) You want to feel more compassion, care and understanding towards your people from whites.<br /><br />All of this is very understandable. I'll talk on these and related things in a moment, but first, let me share my general views on some issues.Boertjienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-31790283971092422822011-06-06T10:16:43.190+02:002011-06-06T10:16:43.190+02:00Hi all, first a pre-script : I've been prepari...Hi all, first a pre-script : I've been preparing a response the past week.<br /><br />Bear in mind I'm trying my best to be honest AND considerate in what I say.<br /><br />Right...here's the post...Boertjienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1226267430376629917.post-67262536664214409722011-06-04T12:41:16.569+02:002011-06-04T12:41:16.569+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.Katzenjammerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14075423195892830101noreply@blogger.com